I agree with what you say Recursive.

However, a better deal must be able to be brokered. As mentioned, I pay around US$145.00 for my own dedicated server, that's my own server plugged into their system. No excess data charges whatsoever. Won't do my58vw any good though. Also, you need to have a good understanding about web servers etc. Because my hosting company won't even reboot.

Concering porn sites yes they do charge membership but not all of them do. I could give examples but that might be going beyond the scope of the thread. Paid advertsing props them up well.

I find with forums that you get the same people comeing through all the time and therefore you need a huge membership to make it pay. It makes it harder too when members are allowed to advertise.