Pete, either be a mod or a participant. I don't think it's fair for you to be both. Cleaning up a post that says "sex is good" is just ridiculous.

It is unbelievable to me that people just don't understand sarcasm. Perhaps I should put it in a long-winded and boring way: ok then..

There is a fallacious assumption at the root of all of this and that assumption is this: That there is an inherent evil involved in sexual objectification. I think this is definitely grounds for argument on several points.

Point one: Nobody can authoritatively claim moral high ground insofar as sexual standards and practices. You try to tell me you know what normal and moral is, and I bet you I can find a precedent for a human society which has done the opposite and been absolutely fine with it. Just because our society does not fetishize certain parts of the anatomy the way some African societies do (or perhaps DID) does not make our society either superior or possessing of a higher morality. Also, the voice or opinion of the majority does not necessarily require that the voice of the minority be silenced. If the larger percentage of our population believe that sex before marriage is a sin, it does not carry that we should either persecute or prosecute those who do not follow that code.

Point two: Evil is a self-defined system. Only by way of social evolution can such a concept as evil even exist. We have already established that there can be no one perfect or superior system. Therefore it stands to reason that there can be no one perfect or superior moral code.

Point three: objectification is an important part of our sexual identity. It is rooted in the lower mammal brains and has existed for far longer than we have as **** Sapiens. Yes, we have a higher cerebral brain which we tend to think "controls" the lower parts, but this is where I diverge from the current kind of thinking. I believe that certain urges are there FOR A REASON and that a healthy sexuality is crucial to the survival of our species. Perhaps we may become the first species in Earth history to become extinct due to widespread sexual dysfunction caused by a massive inconsistency between the controlling cerebral brain and the necessary animalistic lower brain functions which are required for reproduction.

Do whatever you want. Ban me. Delete my posts. Whatever. I have not even been one of those who say the so-called "crude comments" (at least none that have been mentioned here) but I will not give up my right to call for those people's right to speak freely. I also support the right for all persons to speak freely, including those who feel hurt or offended. Call me sexist? Tell you what... examine ALL of my posts and then get back to me. You might be surprised.

Personally, I don't judge people by what they say on the internet. I have been using this misinformation superhighway since 1992 and have never found all that much in common between what people say here and what the same people are really like in person.