I'm not going to spend $4000, I just want to see all the possible bikes, and if I see a higher end one that looked like it would fit I was probably going to buy just the frame and start from there, otherwise I am probably going to spend $2000 at the most for a complete bike, I just wanted to see the higher end bikes so they weren't ruled out, so I could check out the frames. And I have been on a racing team borrowing one of the teams bikes, so this is my first bike, however I am a good rider, just this year our team went out to Japan to compete in one of their bike races. So if that clarifies things I was wondering what some good cross bikes were