Thanks for clearing that up for me.
The following link although in japanese, outlines the spec of the two bikes that i'm thinking about.
any comments on the specs?.
http://wiki.livedoor.jp/araya_kk/d/A...DA%A5%C3%A5%AF
This link has both the older and latest model of Araya's randonneur. Again, in japanese.
http://www.ishizuka-cycle.com/araya-...-cycle.com.htm
the bottom of the page has close-up(ish) details of the old model randonneur.
Little changes here and there. For example the latest model uses a nitto aluminum handlebar stem while the older has it's own TIG chromoly stem. I'm sure it doesn't make much difference to the riding experience..or does it? New model dispenses with the dynamo lamp and brake wire runs on top of frame, older one brake wire runs inside the frame. Old model with infinity tube weighs all in at 13.2kg. Newer model with 022 tube 11.9kg. the sportif model is at 10.8kg.
As I'm inexperienced in long distance cycling. I"m not sure if the variation of around 1 kilo really makes a hugh difference when loaded up.
cheers