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Old 10-14-09 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by John Forester
"A glaring deficiency in the VC agenda"? Your bikeway program has been up and running for thirty years now, and you are still complaining like hell about motorist behavior. Looks just like your program has accomplished either nothing, or, indeed, made things worse, about motorist behavior. If this isn't a glaring actual deficiency in the bikeway program, then it cannot, equally, be a glaring potential deficiency in the VC agenda.

The term "glaring deficiency" conveys the meaning of something lacking that is of great importance. I presume that when you state this in specific terms of "motorist education" you mean exactly that. Education imparts knowledge; what, precisely, is the additional knowledge that you would impart to motorists? And, of course, you need to justify this additional knowledge as producing some greatly required change in behavior. I think that you should specify what knowledge is lacking and why it is of great importance.

As I have written frequently, I see little probable result from the provision of additional knowledge to motorists, and hence see that the potential effort to do so should be directed in far more useful directions, as in training cyclists, police, and the judicial system.

You have not specified what knowledge you desire to impart, and what results you expect from that additional knowledge. But, if you actually know these things, why is it that the bikeway advocates, who have been in charge of America's bicycle transportation program for thirty years, haven't solved the problem?
This is one of those areas where I agree with John. While it is true that more bike specific facilities have increased ridership, at the same time it has kept us 'out of the way' of motorists who have become very possessive of their exclusive (in their minds) right to the road. I agree 100% in motorist education, but I also believe 100% in resources for cyclist education...if people don't learn and use the skills required to operate safely on the road (which are really quite simple and even widely known when you consider that most cyclists also drive), sooner or later we're gonna lose our right to operate on the roads at all.

There ain't no single magic bullet if you wanna make progress you have to tackle multiple problems at the same time. Think if it like body building...would you work only one arm and delay working the other until you get the first to the tone you wish?
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