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Old 10-23-09 | 03:20 PM
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John Forester
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
Have you been to New York City John?

check this 2009 streetfilms video out -but sit down first, it mught make your blood boil so be careful before opening....

bikelanes in the big apple

check out this 2009 guide to bike infrastructure in NYC.

by the way ,since there are some new inroads in the USA you're not up to speed on, TRUE Vehicular Cyclists are not stymied by the presence of quality bike infrastructure.
Yes, Bek, I have been on the streets of NYC many times, many times afoot, a few times by car, but never by bicycle. And, Bek, not only have I viewed the rather carefully staged propaganda by NYC to which you refer, I have also seen video scenes of real cyclists (John Allen and friends) navigating the new sidepaths along Ninth Ave and area in normal traffic. The Ninth Ave sidepath scenes depict all the troubles to be expected with sidepaths. The NYC propaganda presents all the usual propaganda and even some lies about the supposed advantages of their facilities, without discussing the real problems that their facilities fail to solve. The NYC presentation makes one reasonable statement, that NYC is attempting to provide the additional signal phases that are required when sidepaths are installed; but, of course, the additional phases, with their concomitant additional delays, are required only to attempt to cure the traffic conflict dangers created by sidepaths.
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