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Old 11-01-16, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by howsteepisit
Paul were yours military? the couple of times I experienced this was from outdoor shooters - maybe way less powerful slugs.
No. Mine were from a variety of high powered rifles at about 300 yards. We didn't have a spotting scope. While one person was shooting the target the other would climb down into a deep ravine near the target. The shooter would fire a 3 shot group then the other would emerge from the raving look at the target and communicate to the shooter.

You'd hear the sharp sonic crack of the bullet sailing over your head at 2200+ FPS followed by the boom of the rifle.
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Originally Posted by howsteepisit
Paul were yours military? the couple of times I experienced this was from outdoor shooters - maybe way less powerful slugs.
The close flyers I experienced in Iraq were not a zing or a crack...really hard to describe the sound other than something really small cutting through the air at a high speed. Like a 1/100th scale jet slicing through the atmosphere. Very distinct sound which does not have a close equivalent.
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Originally Posted by jfowler85
The close flyers I experienced in Iraq were not a zing or a crack...really hard to describe the sound other than something really small cutting through the air at a high speed. Like a 1/100th scale jet slicing through the atmosphere. Very distinct sound which does not have a close equivalent.

Bullet has slowed to subsonic (below 1100 ft sec depending on altitude / elevation). So no 'mini sonic boom' / 'Whip Crack' Pop from Supersonic shockwave. FWIW, accuracy usually goes to crap, but still 'Good Enuf' to keep heads down.
In another life, could always tell when shooter was firing AK 47 based weapon or original '60s / '70s 'Nam era M16 223 ammo, as both rounds slowed down below sonic 'Whip Crack'/'Pop' speed at around 500-600 yds/mtrs (dependent on temp and air density). Where most all 'bolt action' Deer caliber' bullets stay Supersonic well past 1000 yds/mtrs.


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Originally Posted by HvPnyrs
Bullet has slowed to subsonic (below 1100 ft sec depending on altitude / elevation). So no 'mini sonic boom' / 'Whip Crack' Pop from Supersonic shockwave. FWIW, accuracy usually goes to crap, but still 'Good Enuf' to keep heads down.
In another life, could always tell when shooter was firing AK 47 based weapon or original '60s / '70s 'Nam era M16 223 ammo, as both rounds slowed down below sonic 'Whip Crack'/'Pop' speed at around 500-600 yds/mtrs (dependent on temp and air density). Where most all 'bolt action' Deer caliber' bullets stay Supersonic well past 1000 yds/mtrs.


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Uhhh sure. In a gun fight there tends to be a lot more going on than just the bullets' velocities which tends to have an impact on how you perceive incoming rounds. But good on you, I guess.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
Depends on wind direction. Wind has a huge effect on sound waves, not so much on supersonic bits of led. Under certain circumstances you could be in range of a bullet but never hear the sound. If you are hearing the sound I would assume you could be hit by a rifle projectile. A projectile from a deer hunting rifle could travel 7 miles.

Generally there are two sounds a hunting rifle makes. 1. The exploding powder and 2. The "crack" of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. The two sounds are markedly different but almost simultaneous.

A shotgun with subsonic projectiles goes "Boom". A rifle with supersonic projectiles goes "Pa-Tow". It's the rifle bullet you have to worry about.
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Ever see what a 12 Gauge can do to a person? And at 1300FPS it is not Subsonic. As a young reporter way back in the Day I reported on a Gentlemen that was apparently cheating at a card Card Game. He took both Barrels of 12 Gauge Bird Shot at under 12 Yards it basically severed his upper half from his lower. And that was just Bird Shot.
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Originally Posted by Wileyone
Ever see what a 12 Gauge can do to a person? And at 1300FPS it is not Subsonic. As a young reporter way back in the Day I reported on a Gentlemen that was apparently cheating at a card Card Game. He took both Barrels of 12 Gauge Bird Shot at under 12 Yards it basically severed his upper half from his lower. And that was just Bird Shot.
Ever read any Peter Hathaway Capstick? He was a game manager/hunting guide in Africa back in mid century. When a leopard was wounded by a client Capstick would have to track it into thick brush at the miffed leopard's advantage. The weapon of choice was a double-barrel shotgun (shortened) loaded with smaller buckshot (I think #4 but not sure) because those smaller balls had less air spaces between them than say 00 buckshot - hence more weight. Bird shot was too light. The idea of course was to knock 120lbs of angry, leaping leopard backwards in mid flight.

I have no doubts about the effectiveness of a shotgun at close range. I did not know that the projectiles could create an audible sonic boom. So thanks.
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