Cab hits boy, then takes off
06-15-05, 02:32 PM
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Canada is a totalitarian police state were a person's "rights" depend on how much money they have or which group they are affiliated with.
Canada openly sensors[sic] speech -- they label it "hate speech" whatever that is -- and routinely confiscates books.
All of this is mote, however, in regards to the issue at hand: a young boy was terrorized by a motor-vehicle. The reason as to why he did it is still up in the air and remains speculation. Maybe he got stiffed by his last pick up. Maybe he had a hugely bad day. Maybe he dislikes little kids. Maybe the kid swore at him (don't know if the kid and the sole witness -- his step-sister omitted anything). Doesn't justify it but the reason why isn't known at this point:
Source: CTV
Police in Ottawa are investigating claims by a young boy and his stepsister that he was deliberately run down by an angry cabbie this weekend.
Ben Pickard, 8, suffered a broken nose and scrapes to his face, hands and knees while on a bike ride Saturday morning.
"I've got a broken nose, and I've got a bad knee and bad knuckles," Ben told CJOH News.
Ben was with his stepsister, 12-year-old Shana Parent, when the children allege a Blue Line cab driver began following him in the east-Ottawa area after dropping off a passenger.
Ben said the cabbie followed him into the parking lot of his apartment building and began honking for no apparent reason. His stepsister said she saw the car bump the back tire of Ben's bike. Ben struck a concrete pillar before falling onto the ground.
"Every time I would close my eyes in the night, I see him flying through the air," Shana said.
"I thought he was dead because he wasn't moving and there was blood all over the place."
Shana said that while Ben lay unconscious, the cab turned around and stopped next to Ben. She said the driver yelled at him to "Get out of my way" and then drove off.
The taxi company's president says if the claims are true, finding out who was behind the wheel will be difficult. Hanif Patni also said if one of his drivers is found to be responsible, he will be reprimanded.
"But needless to say, this is a very serious incident -- much more serious than your normal road rage, and we would take it very seriously," Patni said
One expert in driver behaviour hopes the case will finally get governments to heed what he has been saying for years. University of Ottawa professor Barry Wellar wants all motorists to undergo full psychological testing before they get a licence.
"We don't do much of anything about ascertaining in advance," he said.
"Is this person aggressive? Is this person a psycho? Is this person a potential wacko? We don't do any of that. We just let them drive."
As for Ben, he wants an apology.
"I hope (the cab driver) apologizes, but even if he does, I hope he still goes to jail," he said.
Police in Ottawa are investigating claims by a young boy and his stepsister that he was deliberately run down by an angry cabbie this weekend.
Ben Pickard, 8, suffered a broken nose and scrapes to his face, hands and knees while on a bike ride Saturday morning.
"I've got a broken nose, and I've got a bad knee and bad knuckles," Ben told CJOH News.
Ben was with his stepsister, 12-year-old Shana Parent, when the children allege a Blue Line cab driver began following him in the east-Ottawa area after dropping off a passenger.
Ben said the cabbie followed him into the parking lot of his apartment building and began honking for no apparent reason. His stepsister said she saw the car bump the back tire of Ben's bike. Ben struck a concrete pillar before falling onto the ground.
"Every time I would close my eyes in the night, I see him flying through the air," Shana said.
"I thought he was dead because he wasn't moving and there was blood all over the place."
Shana said that while Ben lay unconscious, the cab turned around and stopped next to Ben. She said the driver yelled at him to "Get out of my way" and then drove off.
The taxi company's president says if the claims are true, finding out who was behind the wheel will be difficult. Hanif Patni also said if one of his drivers is found to be responsible, he will be reprimanded.
"But needless to say, this is a very serious incident -- much more serious than your normal road rage, and we would take it very seriously," Patni said
One expert in driver behaviour hopes the case will finally get governments to heed what he has been saying for years. University of Ottawa professor Barry Wellar wants all motorists to undergo full psychological testing before they get a licence.
"We don't do much of anything about ascertaining in advance," he said.
"Is this person aggressive? Is this person a psycho? Is this person a potential wacko? We don't do any of that. We just let them drive."
As for Ben, he wants an apology.
"I hope (the cab driver) apologizes, but even if he does, I hope he still goes to jail," he said.
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Originally Posted by cruentus
You don't know what I'm talking about? OK, I'll give it to you straight: Canada is a totalitarian police state were a person's "rights" depend on how much money they have or which group they are affiliated with.
Edit: Mitts, I think we both may be feeding a troll here, I'm out.
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Originally Posted by MsMittens
my mom's partner -- landed immigrant from Haiti -- beat my mom to death with a hammer in front of my sister (who was 8 at the time).
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Originally Posted by cruentus
I don't know of one case in the USA were a non-White was prosecuted and convicted for committing a hate crime against a white person. I could easily find hundreds of cases of the reverse.
Too lazy to search?
In 2003 there were reported to be 830 incidents of 969 offenses with 1006 victims and 1019 offenders of hate crimes involving anti-white sentiment.
The facts are available for anyone who would rather search for them than spount off about things that they know nothing about. Remember, there's a differance between talking about something, and knowing what the hell you are talking about.
Do you really think that of all the reported incidents found here that none of the non-white offenders were prosecuted? Seriously.
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Originally Posted by Linchpin
When was the last time you heard of someone being rushed to a hospital on a bike?
When was the last time your wife went into panic labor and police delivered on the seat of a bike?
When was the last time you packed and moved your home moved from one city to the next on a bike?
When was the last time the fire department pulled up on bikes and saved a home from burning?
When was the last time goods were delivered to the grocer on a bike?
When was the last time....
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Motor vehicles have their place and are used for more than getting from A to B faster.
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When was the last time your wife went into panic labor and police delivered on the seat of a bike?
When was the last time you packed and moved your home moved from one city to the next on a bike?
When was the last time the fire department pulled up on bikes and saved a home from burning?
When was the last time goods were delivered to the grocer on a bike?
When was the last time....
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When I first read the story I thought something was wrong. Road rage is usually an impulse. The events described seem far from impulsive. Eight seems far too young for a victim. Mid teens would usually be the low end.
But then EnigManiac posted on what he saw on the news.
Sent flying 15 to 20 feet in the air. In the parking lot of an appartment building? Now on the street that is pretty easy, but in a parking lot deliberate action it isn't.
Considering the recent "Runaway Bride" incident I can not discount that the kids are at the very least not telling the whole truth.
The range where this could fall is pretty wide. From the kids telling the whole truth to there was no cab. Note that one thing where the kids are lying yet there is a pretty nasty cab driver is that this happened in the street perhaps in a manner where the kid is at least partly at fault and the driver then yells at the kid and drives off. (Even if the kid is entirely at fault in this case it could still be felony hit and run).
I for one think I'll wait a while before I decide what the truth likely is.
But then EnigManiac posted on what he saw on the news.
Sent flying 15 to 20 feet in the air. In the parking lot of an appartment building? Now on the street that is pretty easy, but in a parking lot deliberate action it isn't.
Considering the recent "Runaway Bride" incident I can not discount that the kids are at the very least not telling the whole truth.
The range where this could fall is pretty wide. From the kids telling the whole truth to there was no cab. Note that one thing where the kids are lying yet there is a pretty nasty cab driver is that this happened in the street perhaps in a manner where the kid is at least partly at fault and the driver then yells at the kid and drives off. (Even if the kid is entirely at fault in this case it could still be felony hit and run).
I for one think I'll wait a while before I decide what the truth likely is.
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Originally Posted by cruentus
Canada is a totalitarian police state were a person's "rights" depend on how much money they have or which group they are affiliated with. Canada openly sensors speech -- they label it "hate speech" whatever that is -- and routinely confiscates books.
At least you didn't say "Nazi."
We ARE kind of down on hate speech, though. That's true. As a society, I think we find it troubling when people claim that everyone ought to hate gays, or native people, or black people, or Muslims, or what have you. We do have a go at "Americans" every once in a while, but we're just messin' with ya. All the Americans I've met are pretty decent people, as far as I can tell.
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According to the news report, I saw the boy was attempting to escape the chasing cabbie and veered into the parking lot of his building complex to get off the road where the cab was chasing him. The cab followed him at high speed and purposefully hit him. The cabbie might have wanted to hit him harder, it was speculated by the boy's father, but did not want to hit the pillar. If it's true and regardless of whatever provocation the cabbie may have experienced, it certainly seems like attempted murder or the vehicular equivalent of it to me.
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Originally Posted by Linchpin
Well hell, I don't know of one case where a persons identity was stolen, but does that mean it doesn't happen?
Too lazy to search?
In 2003 there were reported to be 830 incidents of 969 offenses with 1006 victims and 1019 offenders of hate crimes involving anti-white sentiment.
The facts are available for anyone who would rather search for them than spount[sic] off about things that they know nothing about. Remember, there's a differance[sic] between talking about something, and knowing what the hell you are talking about.
Do you really think that of all the reported incidents found here that none of the non-white offenders were prosecuted? Seriously.
Too lazy to search?
In 2003 there were reported to be 830 incidents of 969 offenses with 1006 victims and 1019 offenders of hate crimes involving anti-white sentiment.
The facts are available for anyone who would rather search for them than spount[sic] off about things that they know nothing about. Remember, there's a differance[sic] between talking about something, and knowing what the hell you are talking about.
Do you really think that of all the reported incidents found here that none of the non-white offenders were prosecuted? Seriously.
Please post 12 cases of non-whites who WERE CONVICTED AND SPENT TIME IN JAIL FOR COMMITTING A "HATE CRIME" AGAINST A WHITE PERSON. I'll post hundreds of cases of the reverse.
BTW, here's another "not a hate crime" committed in the world's preeminent multi-cultural paradise, South Africa: https://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...722115,00.html
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Originally Posted by cruentus
Wow! I'm impressed. 830 crimes committed by non-whites against whites were classified as racially motivated in 2003. In 2003 there were over 1 MILLION BLACK ON WHITE CRIMES REPORTED IN THE USA, INCLUDING 10,000 BLACK ON WHITE RAPES -- go search for it. Only 830 were motivated by race, huh? That's a whopping 8.3 one hundreds of one percent -- do the math.
Please post 12 cases of non-whites who WERE CONVICTED AND SPENT TIME IN JAIL FOR COMMITTING A "HATE CRIME" AGAINST A WHITE PERSON. I'll post hundreds of cases of the reverse.
BTW, here's another "not a hate crime" committed in the world's preeminent multi-cultural paradise, South Africa: https://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...722115,00.html
Please post 12 cases of non-whites who WERE CONVICTED AND SPENT TIME IN JAIL FOR COMMITTING A "HATE CRIME" AGAINST A WHITE PERSON. I'll post hundreds of cases of the reverse.
BTW, here's another "not a hate crime" committed in the world's preeminent multi-cultural paradise, South Africa: https://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...722115,00.html
Race, as it pertains to the case of the cabbie running down an eight year-old boy, is irrelevant except PERHAPS that IF the cabbie is of Indian, Middle-eastern or otherwise Arabic persuasion, he MAY have a culural bias toward children, cyclists or anyone else in his way. I doubt very much his actions were motivated by anything of a racial nature whatsoever and speculation to that effect is both premature and alarmist.
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Originally Posted by EnigManiac
This topic has veered into racial politics and should be relegated to the appropriate forum. It doesn't belong in this thread.
Race, as it pertains to the case of the cabbie running down an eight year-old boy, is irrelevant except PERHAPS that IF the cabbie is of Indian, Middle-eastern or otherwise Arabic persuasion, he MAY have a culural bias toward children, cyclists or anyone else in his way. I doubt very much his actions were motivated by anything of a racial nature whatsoever and speculation to that effect is both premature and alarmist.
Race, as it pertains to the case of the cabbie running down an eight year-old boy, is irrelevant except PERHAPS that IF the cabbie is of Indian, Middle-eastern or otherwise Arabic persuasion, he MAY have a culural bias toward children, cyclists or anyone else in his way. I doubt very much his actions were motivated by anything of a racial nature whatsoever and speculation to that effect is both premature and alarmist.
I wish [B]I{/B] could be the voice of reason.
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Lets stay on Topic and keep the racial diatribe in Politics and Religion!!!!
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Originally Posted by EnigManiac
This topic has veered into racial politics and should be relegated to the appropriate forum. It doesn't belong in this thread.
However, what does belong in this thread is is this cabbies head, on a spike!
How the hell can someone purposefully hurt a child?*shakes head*
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Has anyone in the Ottawa area heard of any updates on this case? Has the cabbie been located? Has he been charged? I've not heard a word since the incident itself.
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The taxi company's president says if the claims are true, finding out who was behind the wheel will be difficult. Hanif Patni also said if one of his drivers is found to be responsible, he will be reprimanded.
"But needless to say, this is a very serious incident -- much more serious than your normal road rage, and we would take it very seriously," Patni said.
"But needless to say, this is a very serious incident -- much more serious than your normal road rage, and we would take it very seriously," Patni said.
This guy is messed up -- and not very skilled at public relations.
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For those of you interested, I sent an e-mail to the Ottawa Police Service a few weeks back requesting information on this case, advising my bicycle communities were particularly interested as the cyclist was a child and reportedly targeted by the motorist. The constable in charge of the investigation replied back today that the investigation has been closed with no arrests made and no further investigation to be conducted. I expressed my dismay and was advised that the details of the incident may have been misreported to the media as several officers were assigned to the case and both physical facts at the scene and other information suggests the incident may not have occured the way the children said it had. The officer went on to say there may well have been an incident, but what happened remains a mystery, but that he had his theories. So, I guess this one is concluded.
