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Old 10-27-23, 10:38 AM
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Study Finds Cyclists Are Better People Than Drivers

Study Finds Cyclists Are Better People Than Drivers

Cyclists are more interested in the common good than drivers are, a study published in the Journal of Environmental Psychology found. The study used four factors to define the common good — political participation, social participation, neighborhood solidarity and neighborly helpfulness. And as it turns out, drivers are less interested in all four of those things.

The cited study:
Orientation towards the common good in cities: The role of individual urban mobility behavior

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Maybe so. In Germany, anyway.

Unclear how "cyclists"are differentiated from "drivers". Particularly in Germany and other northern European countries, my personal observation is that the overlap is pretty great.
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Large majority of cyclists own a vehicle and are also drivers. The study is flawed as are majority of studies...Also judging by how a lot of cyclists ride and behave on the roads and out in public I find it very hard to believe that they are better people with better values...Selfish, self-centered, above average sense of self importance and entitlement is how I would describe a lot of cyclists.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Large majority of cyclists own a vehicle and are also drivers. The study is flawed as are majority of studies...Also judging by how a lot of cyclists ride and behave on the roads and out in public I find it very hard to believe that they are better people with better values...Selfish, self-centered, above average sense of self importance and entitlement is how I would describe a lot of cyclists.
Whereas many studies are flawed, that's an unjustified conclusion without reading the methodology and specifying the flaw. How did they differentiate "cyclists"and "drivers"? An important question, but without further information, calling the study "flawed" is just name-calling.

For example, perhaps the division was the person's main transportation method of going to work or school.

And for sure, anecdote and opinion are inferior methods of reaching objective conclusions.
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I ride both bikes and cars. I am not as better as 100% pure cyclists, I guess.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Large majority of cyclists own a vehicle and are also drivers. The study is flawed as are majority of studies...Also judging by how a lot of cyclists ride and behave on the roads and out in public I find it very hard to believe that they are better people with better values...Selfish, self-centered, above average sense of self importance and entitlement is how I would describe a lot of cyclists.
Seeing behavior, interpreting behavior as an indication of attitude, then describing the people as having that interpreted attitude is a thing, for sure.

As far as finding truth, it's a deeply flawed process; the opposite of seeing the world through rose colored glasses but of the same ilk.

I've concluded that humans lack the emotional maturity to safely operate heavy machinery. But I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by downtube42
...I've concluded that humans lack the emotional maturity to safely operate heavy machinery. But I could be wrong.
I see it as humans are highly flawed creatures. How our brains interpret what your eyes "see" is a huge problem with high speed heavy equipment. I'm talking about sober, attentive, careful, decent people, good in every way possible, are STILL "visually" flawed under the most perfect of circumstances.

For instance, my two cats have been dead for over ten years yet I STILL see them out of the corner of my eyes inside the house. Of course, there is nothing there. My brain sees the cats because for 18 years they were actually there imprinting themselves in some neurons. Also, our eyes have blind spots where the optic nerve joins the back of our eyes. So we "see" things that aren't really there and miss things that are actually there. The faster we go the more imperfect we are.
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From the abstract:
Cycling is also characterized by the fact that cyclists interact directly with the spatial environment, because there is no passenger cell around them. Thus, not only urban but also topographical impressions are more immediate. Like pedestrians, cyclists are directly exposed to the terrain. Through direct interaction with the geographic and topographic environment (different road surfaces, hills and valleys, parks or play streets, etc.), bicyclists develop a rich and extensive cognitive “picture of the city” (Lynch, 1960).

Jungnickel and Aldred (2014) state that cyclists, especially in urban areas, directly experience the breadth of social diversity and cultural heterogeneity that make up urban life and cannot escape these impressions due to sensory density. This direct experience of the neighborhood environment leads to a stronger emotional bond between people and their neighborhood. This emotional attachment of people to their neighborhood is considered a mediator for civic activities (Stefaniak et al., 2017).
This rings true for me. I started cycling regularly about a year and a half ago and because I'm highly motivated by challenges such as wandrer.earth I've seen a lot of different parts of my local area. I don't know if my civic activities have really changed, but I definitely feel like my relationship with my city has. I *know* things about places now that I never did when had only moved through them by car.
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I agree with some of this on a personal level and also in the abstract, but that doesn't convince me that the generalization holds.

For me, cycling is the one of the *human* ways to experience a city or a terrain. As a cyclist in the Twin Cities area for the last 15 years, I've come to know the contours and details of neighborhoods in ways that I did not know before at all. I lived in this area 10 years before I became a cyclist, and I was really ignorant of the human and physical geography around me.

But does being a cyclist make me a better, more generous and tolerant person? Or does it have that effect on cyclists in general? I'm not sure.

Just because the *reason* makes sense, doesn't make it true or create the evidence in favor of the hypothesis.
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The study used four factors to define the common good — political participation, social participation, neighborhood solidarity and neighborly helpfulness.

I've got a problem with how they define "better people." I participate in society as little as possible, And I'm a better person for it.
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I am certainly a better person while on my bike. Almost never having to stop for anything makes me a delightful person.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
But does being a cyclist make me a better, more generous and tolerant person? Or does it have that effect on cyclists in general? I'm not sure.
I agree—and so do they. The abstract states that they found a positive association, not that they determined causality.
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Originally Posted by retswerb
From the abstract:

This rings true for me. I started cycling regularly about a year and a half ago and because I'm highly motivated by challenges such as wandrer.earth I've seen a lot of different parts of my local area. I don't know if my civic activities have really changed, but I definitely feel like my relationship with my city has. I *know* things about places now that I never did when had only moved through them by car.
"This direct experience of the neighborhood environment leads to a stronger emotional bond between people and their neighborhood. This emotional attachment of people to their neighborhood is considered a mediator for civic activities"

I would think that assumes a positive experience with the people and the neighborhood. There are places for which I have a distaste because of my cycling experiences.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
... our eyes have blind spots where the optic nerve joins the back of our eyes. So we "see" things that aren't really there and miss things that are actually there.
More to that than your comment suggests. That blind spot is a relatively small area in our visual field that a majority of humans don't know is there most of their lives.

Our eyes serve as the lenses of our human bio-optical system that ends up providing an interpretation of what our surroundings 'look like' in our brains. What we 'see' is not a fully reliable means for us to know what's out there, our brains fill in much of what we come to believe is real when in fact it's often a construct based more on prior experiences, to the point of often being influenced by what we may have had for breakfast.

Add the element of speed to the sensory input our eyes are sending 'upstream' to be interpreted then 'displayed' for us, the results are anything but a reliably 'true' picture of what's going on as we move along.
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I find that when cycling, I am more likely to show myself as a better person by yelling "idiot" or "bonehead" at someone than when I am driving, where I am quite mellow.
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Drivers are better than cyclists because they take the time to yell out of their car windows what I'm doing wrong, like rolling through stop signs, riding on the road, riding on the sidewalk, etc. So helpful when they do that. I usually yell out a 'thank-you', and by 'thank-you', I mean 'f***-off'.
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Study Finds Dogs Are Better People Than People.

Canines are more interested in the common good than people are, a study published in the Journal of Canine Self-Promotion has found. The study used four factors to define the common good — belly rubs, bones, chew toys and sleeping. And as it turns out, people are less interested in all four of those things.
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So it's an environmental group. Good enough reason for me not to read it, or believe it.
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Originally Posted by SW84
So it's an environmental group. Good enough reason for me not to read it, or believe it.
+1. Environmental groups have only done things like save the American Bald Eagle by advocating against the use of DDT. Now where did I put my asbestos oven mitts?
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Originally Posted by SW84
So it's an environmental group. Good enough reason for me not to read it, or believe it.
Come to think of it: The Ohio River hasn't caught fire in a while. We really ought to have more river fires.
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Originally Posted by spclark
More to that than your comment suggests. That blind spot is a relatively small area in our visual field that a majority of humans don't know is there most of their lives.

Our eyes serve as the lenses of our human bio-optical system that ends up providing an interpretation of what our surroundings 'look like' in our brains. What we 'see' is not a fully reliable means for us to know what's out there, our brains fill in much of what we come to believe is real when in fact it's often a construct based more on prior experiences, to the point of often being influenced by what we may have had for breakfast.

Add the element of speed to the sensory input our eyes are sending 'upstream' to be interpreted then 'displayed' for us, the results are anything but a reliably 'true' picture of what's going on as we move along.
True enough, except for my bolded portion but then I realized that someone may be taking neuromodulatory drugs with their breakfast. About a gram of Gabapentin or Lyrica ought to do the job! 😉

But to the point of the original discussion, does the excuse that my brain didn’t expect the bicyclist to be there (or vice versa for a motorist) is it a good enough excuse to cause an accident? I think not; our brain also accounts for some unexpected situations that may arise, even when not on a routine basis… in common language, we simply bundle up all these things as caution and common sense (which some would contend, and rightly so, that it is becoming increasingly uncommon).
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As for such “studies”, you can design one to yield whatever results you wish!
Marketing industry has been doing it for many decades.
Psychobabble, as it is lovingly called, has been destroying our society.
A Supreme Court judge doesn’t know what a woman is, I would have never imagined that it will even be a serious question someday.
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I saw this paper the other day:

Study Finds Dbags Exist in Every Demographic Group
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I think threads whose founding premise is to justify a divide between groups of people are problematic. Usually, the person who starts these discussions tries to create tension and conflict where it's unnecessary or productive as the founding point of the thread. These conversations are generally not helpful and can lead to unnecessary division between people.

"Cyclists Are Better People Than Drivers"

For Example, My mother is a driver. Are you saying you are a better person than my mother? Them are fighting words!

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