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GCN: Anarchy, utopia, and failure: The rise and fall of the shared space movement

Old 12-09-23, 10:37 PM
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GCN: Anarchy, utopia, and failure: The rise and fall of the shared space movement

"When road designers removed traffic lights and signals, they thought people would be nice to each other. Really, it just showed us how drivers use their cars to dominate cyclists and other road users"

https://www.globalcyclingnetwork.com/tech/features/anarchy-utopia-and-failure-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-shared-space-movement

I remember watching videos about this several years ago and the optimism the designers had for the idea.
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Old 12-09-23, 11:38 PM
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This reads like something from The Onion.
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This article does not describe an infrastructure problem, it describes a human-nature problem that is inherent to all densely-populated areas -- ie, cities and the like. If one travels outside of cities, one finds exactly this type of street -- with no markings, or barriers, or traffic lights. My own suburban neighborhood is largely this way, as are millions of others. And they work just fine, because the people either know each other, or at least, respect each other on a basic human level. Such respect is not found between humans in cities -- where one is unlikely to encounter the same stranger twice. The same cause is responsible for activities like theft -- in cities, any object of value not locked-down will be stolen, and even many of them that are locked-down will meet the same fate. At the same time, outside of cities, people can and do leave their property unsecured on a regular basis, and rarely is it stolen.

The problem is with the attitude of the people who live in these densely-populated areas, and the fact that civil behavior is not a trait they possess, and there's no authority to enforce such.
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entitlement is another factor with disrespecting drivers. Human decency is plummeting & more laws/regulations/policies is what society has determined to be the solution.
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Originally Posted by TC1
At the same time, outside of cities, people can and do leave their property unsecured on a regular basis, and rarely is it stolen.
That's simply not true.
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Originally Posted by jon c.
That's simply not true.
Travel. Outside of cities you will see unsecured property constantly, everything from bicycles left in yards, to garage doors left open overnight, to houses left unlocked -- and with rare repercussions.

Or read.

Originally Posted by https://crimesciencejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40163-021-00155-8
In most countries, we find that theft increases superlinearly with population size, whereas burglary increases linearly.
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In criminology, it is generally accepted that crime occurs more often in more populated regions.
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sometimes things get written, yet leave out things that renders the data not purposeful.
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Originally Posted by TC1
The problem is with the attitude of the people who live in these densely-populated areas, and the fact that civil behavior is not a trait they possess, and there's no authority to enforce such.
It depends on the city. I live in Tokyo, which no one would argue is a lightly-populated area, but people behave in a civil manner, and theft is rare. Stores display things outside, out of sight of the cashier, and they arenít stolen, and I have seen very nice bikes parked along the sidewalks with no locks, for weeks at a time.

But the social and criminal consequences of being uncivil and committing crimes in Japan is far more severe than in other developed countries.
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But the social and criminal consequences of being uncivil and committing crimes in Japan is far more severe than in other developed countries.
Exactly as I originally said -- in your example, there exists an authority willing and able to enforce civil behavior. That is very much an exceptional situation.
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Hmmmmm .................................................................. behavioral hacks at Tavistock must be at it again ............................. first program the cars then program the drivers > bicyclists are the lepers of the road
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