With the flow or ???
#51
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In the event it's somehow not against the law to ride against traffic in any given municipality, it's incredibly stupid. We as cyclists have a hard enough time getting drivers to acknowledge us and NOT kill us when we are riding the same direction and they should see us, let's not make it worse by riding at them from a direction that they shouldn't realistically be anticipating anything coming from. Never mind that all the traffic signs that we are meant to obey won't be facing us if we ride on the wrong side of the road, or the risks that we're subjecting other direction-conscious cyclists to when we would have to pass them.
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Here's a photo of a typical one-way street in Paris. Note the bike markings and arrow. (This isn't my street, it's my father-in-law's street, but our street is also one-way, and also allows "contre-sens" flow.

One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow.

One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow.
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In the event it's somehow not against the law to ride against traffic in any given municipality, it's incredibly stupid. We as cyclists have a hard enough time getting drivers to acknowledge us and NOT kill us when we are riding the same direction and they should see us, let's not make it worse by riding at them from a direction that they shouldn't realistically be anticipating anything coming from. Never mind that all the traffic signs that we are meant to obey won't be facing us if we ride on the wrong side of the road, or the risks that we're subjecting other direction-conscious cyclists to when we would have to pass them.
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#54
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My opinion: in CT a bicycle is traffic. Ride with traffic because that's what you are.
#55
Thanks for the response.....not having the time to list all of the different scenarios, I think you described most of them, but did not mention the weather/time of day etc etc.
What I have seen is outlined in the scenario you describe, to paraphrase: a legal right turn after stop, hit by cyclist approaching the drivers right, cyclist riding against flow of traffic
BTW, would it make a difference if it was light controlled and driver was making a legal right turn and hit by the cyclist riding against traffic?
Best, Ben
What I have seen is outlined in the scenario you describe, to paraphrase: a legal right turn after stop, hit by cyclist approaching the drivers right, cyclist riding against flow of traffic
BTW, would it make a difference if it was light controlled and driver was making a legal right turn and hit by the cyclist riding against traffic?
Best, Ben
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#56
Here's a photo of a typical one-way street in Paris. Note the bike markings and arrow. (This isn't my street, it's my father-in-law's street, but our street is also one-way, and also allows "contre-sens" flow.

One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow.

One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow.
#57
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I wouldn't ride counter-flow where drivers don't expect to see it (like, in the countryside outside of Paris). My post is to say that riding against the flow is, like all things traffic-related, about expectations and protocols (sort of like protocols about the assignment of right-of-way, which is pretty arbitrary).
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Here's a photo of a typical one-way street in Paris. Note the bike markings and arrow. (This isn't my street, it's my father-in-law's street, but our street is also one-way, and also allows "contre-sens" flow.

One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow.

One way Parisian street, with bike markings indicating permissible "contre-sens" flow.
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#59
I wouldn't ride counter-flow where drivers don't expect to see it (like, in the countryside outside of Paris). My post is to say that riding against the flow is, like all things traffic-related, about expectations and protocols (sort of like protocols about the assignment of right-of-way, which is pretty arbitrary).
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AND assiduously keep your head moving in 360 degrees to MAKE SURE you are aware of what is happening around you at all times. If a car hits you in traffic it is the fault of the other guy for not preventing motion which could have a hazardou outcome, but also your fault for not taking action which would have prevented an unsafe motion.
There are many collision scenarios that would need to be looked at, My view is that cyclist vigilance (which is something we, as cyclists can affect) is the most important thing a cyclist can add to a traffic situation.
Going with the flow of traffic is safer for (IMHO) good reasons. But those benefits are not sufficient to come close to preventing car/bike crashes.
Is very high self-awareness enough of a cyclist’s countermeasure? I think it would be irrponsible to claim that.
Be vigilant out there! It’s your life you could be saving!
There are many collision scenarios that would need to be looked at, My view is that cyclist vigilance (which is something we, as cyclists can affect) is the most important thing a cyclist can add to a traffic situation.
Going with the flow of traffic is safer for (IMHO) good reasons. But those benefits are not sufficient to come close to preventing car/bike crashes.
Is very high self-awareness enough of a cyclist’s countermeasure? I think it would be irrponsible to claim that.
Be vigilant out there! It’s your life you could be saving!
Last edited by Road Fan; 04-28-25 at 11:03 AM.








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