Which I have, and received back that they've placed the driver on their 'watch list' for ID.

They received the same image files as those I put up here, but in a higher resolution format.

So far that's it.

Whether I learn of anything further on this remains to be seen. I don't expect to, but you just never know....

Covered that 8 days ago.

Pictures (Worth More Than Words?)
Pictures (Worth More Than Words?)

An electric bike has a motor too but would be allowed apparently.

Look up what the law says is a motorcycle or a moped in that particular state.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/dmv/m...ty/mopeds.aspx

Riding local bike path for my return leg, I happened upon this scene earlier (strictly by coincidence!!):



Seems these two're brothers, this at about mile 19 (of 26) into my ride.

So tell me what you call that MOTORCYCLE? What is it? We already established it is not a bicycle because it both doesn't have pedals and has a throttle, it is not a moped because again no pedals and it is not a scooter or a hoverboard because we know what those are.

You cannot come at me and say a motorcycle is not a motorcycle when it is clearly a motorcycle. Your excuses are weak and you cannot actually define it. I don't want to hear legalese I want a definition that is legitimate enough to make a claim that a motorcycle is not a motorcycle because someone didn't put a numbers and letters on the back on a hunk of metal.
Is this not a car:
https://townsquare.media/site/689/fi...No-Plates2.jpg
It has no plates so it cannot be a car because then your argument a motorcycle is not a motorcycle because it has no plates is out the door. So please define what everyone else knows as a car in that image?

I live along a less used section of our major bike trail here (Oak Leaf trail) and have encountered literally every type of motor vehicle on the trail. MC, ATV, go karts, scooters, and yes, even cars.
They typically have posed no hazard to me, I will call LE for the cars.

Look up the Wisconsin laws. (My definition would as irrelevant as yours.)

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink:

Too strange. I'm not "coming at me and say a motorcycle is not a motorcycle".

No one cares what you want. The only "legitimate" definition is the one in the Wisconsin law.

Woosh!

It really doesn't get any simpler than this. If the object in question is not defined as a motor vehicle in Wisconsin law, then it is not subject to the "No Motor Vehicles" restriction.

So what is that vehicle both of them. One is clearly a motorcycle and one is clearly a car but in your eyes and only your eyes somehow they are not? Define them stop talking about Wisconsin nobody cares. Define the vehicles if it is not a motorcycle and not a car then how would you classify them if not?

You are saying a motorcycle is not a motorcycle and you cannot define it yourself? The strange thing is you are trying to redefine something we all know as a motorcycle as something else. That is strange. If I held an orange in my hand and tried to tell you it was a tomato would you just agree because how dare a thing be the thing it is, some random law in Wisconsin says it is different and that is the only thing that ever matters.

The OP is in WI so WI law is relevant. The reality is the only one whose opinion matters is the LEO who writes the ticket or the judge if it goes to court

Sure but it is not relevant to trying to say a motorcycle is not a motorcycle which is what NJ is doing.

Right or wrong (as for 'izzit oir izn'tit'?) that's the plain and simple truth.

Your experience DH, with what you see on your path over on our 'Eastern Shore', makes for some depth to the issue. Others here, who might offer up what they've experienced here in WI, are certainly welcome to do so. I've never ridden any paths anywhere else in WI... yet.

When I lived in Illinois the path across the street was bollarded at intersections, sometimes even gated, restricting access to bicycle-width conveyances. I didn't see much evidence of infractions, or for that matter three-wheel recumbents when I was on it.

Further afield, it'd add details if others elsewhere would contribute as well: what's your state's / local LE definitions for what's allowed or disallowed?

This is incoherent nonsense. You should be embarrassed.

You should be very embarrassed.

I made no claims about what it was or what it wasn't. Again, my definition or your definition doesn't matter. This is not complicted.

I should be embarrassed because you cannot define a motorcycle? That is a new one? No I will not be embarrassed because you are claiming a motorcycle is not a motorcycle yet cannot define what it is for some silly reason?

Give me YOUR definition for a motorcycle? Explain to all of us here how a two wheeled sit down vehicle with ZERO PEDALS and only a THROTTLE to move it forward that looks exactly like a motorcycle is not a motorcycle?


Here are two photos and they damn sure look pretty similar, no not exactly the same, but a sane person would not go those are two completely different things and one is not just like the other minus the gas engine. If you asked 100 people on the street randomly are these two things motorcycles I think all of them would say yes. I look at them and don't see much general difference and the specific differences don't change the fact they are motorcycles clear as day



This not complicated but you are trying to make it so and it is weird.

Merriam Webster:The meaning of MOTORCYCLE is an automotive vehicle with two in-line wheels.

dictionary says it is a motorcycle since it is ‘auto motive’.

I say it is a motorcycle

You say it is a motorcycle

The State of Wisconsin, by legal definition, does NOT say it is a motorcycle.

We can all get upset as much as we want at the hooligan that is using his clearly defined motorcycle on a MUP clearly set aside for the purpose of non-motorized vehicles, but there is no legal standing for anyone in the state of Wisconsin to do anything about it.

Gets to why I started this thread.

Still waiting for something from local authority about whether this in fact is true, despite the clear and obvious meaning of "No Motor Vehicles".

What part of "my/your definition is irrelevant" are you not understanding?

Just say you don't know what a motorcycle is! It is clear we know it but you won't admit it? It is fine not everyone can know everything but you shouldn't make such bold statements if you don't know what something is. You haven't really been able to respond to anything I even gave you pictures and silence so just come out and say "I don't know" don't say your definition is irrelevant because you just don't have one because you don't know what a motorcycle is.

This is a very strange hill that you've chosen to die on. Your debating partner has made it very clear that it is irrelevant whether or not he (or anyone else on the forum) considers the object in question to be a motorcycle. All that matters is how it is classified by the State of Wisconsin -- that determines if the "No Motor Vehicles" restriction applies to it.

Maybe so but the fact he doesn't know what a motorcycle is, is just so comical.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e999y7vq2o

Electric scooters, they have a place in the world, and using one rather than a car is a good better thing but (I was always told that anything said before the word "but" was horse crap LOL) I hate the things. People seem to drive them with the same aggression they drive a car, but on the pavement. Psychologically they feel more important than the "non-enhanced" pedestrian, they have a right to get somewhere faster so you should move aside. The pedestrian even though they have the right of the pavement is now pressured and this is what the cyclist feels on the road from the car.

Get kids off these things, make them develop their muscles by mechanical means. Electric vehicles are propelled, no difference from a internal combustion engine, they do the same thing.I am aware I am sounding like an old git, sigh..........

Don't we have a separate sub-forum for people who don't want to be right, they just want an argument?

Not yet (that I know of) but may be an option with the next software upgrade? Time will tell....