Another dead cyclist in New York City
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,946
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Another dead cyclist in New York City
https://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=3448792
Elderly Woman Killed By Hit And Run Tour Bus
Bus May Have Been Unaware That It Struck The Woman
By Jim Dolan
(New York -WABC, Sept. 16, 2005) - An elderly woman was struck and killed by a tour bus that apparently fled the scene in Lower Manhattan.
Eyewitness News reporter Jim Dolan is live with the latest.
Police are looking for a double-decker tour bus that may have struck and killed an elderly woman riding a bicycle in Lower Manhattan Friday.
It appears to be just a tragic accident. Police are investigating the possibility that the bus was unaware that it hit the woman.
It happened at the intersection of Water and Governor streets just after 10:00 a.m. The woman, identified as 65-year old Jen Shao was riding her bike east on Water Street. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
The tour bus - coming off of Governor Street - was making a right-hand turn when it apparently clipped Shao.
It was a crowded place at that time of the morning but apparently there were very few witnesses.
Police are still trying to get a good description of what the bus looked like so that they can track down the driver.
(Copyright 2005 WABC-TV)
Elderly Woman Killed By Hit And Run Tour Bus
Bus May Have Been Unaware That It Struck The Woman
By Jim Dolan
(New York -WABC, Sept. 16, 2005) - An elderly woman was struck and killed by a tour bus that apparently fled the scene in Lower Manhattan.
Eyewitness News reporter Jim Dolan is live with the latest.
Police are looking for a double-decker tour bus that may have struck and killed an elderly woman riding a bicycle in Lower Manhattan Friday.
It appears to be just a tragic accident. Police are investigating the possibility that the bus was unaware that it hit the woman.
It happened at the intersection of Water and Governor streets just after 10:00 a.m. The woman, identified as 65-year old Jen Shao was riding her bike east on Water Street. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
The tour bus - coming off of Governor Street - was making a right-hand turn when it apparently clipped Shao.
It was a crowded place at that time of the morning but apparently there were very few witnesses.
Police are still trying to get a good description of what the bus looked like so that they can track down the driver.
(Copyright 2005 WABC-TV)
#4
militant commuter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: lower manhattan
Posts: 476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Thats a block from my house, someone must have seen it. But I didnt hear it, and I was home. Sorry to hear about another death and another "accident".
#5
Commuting Horrorshow
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Livorno, Toscana, Italia
Posts: 503
Bikes: Giant OCR3, Decathlon ****box.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Laika
Hmmm, I have found the tour bus operators to be among the most careful drivers on the road around these parts.
I feel sorry for the lady. Perhaps now that it's an old lady, someone might care.
Probably not.
#6
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: South City, Ca
Posts: 3,348
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Man I hate street riding, Im just becoming paranoid about it. Its almost more safe to go ride steep downhills than to ride on your own streets.
#7
Sweetened with Splenda
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Brooklyn, Alabama
Posts: 2,335
Bikes: Too many 80s roadbikes!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Remember a few years ago when that tour bus driver hit a bunch of people while going the wrong way on a one-way through a red light, drunk, and it turned out he hadn't had a license in years? And then they shut down the company altogether for a few months, after it turned out that several other drivers also had no licenses? Sounds like it might be time for another investigation...
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 152
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Needless to say, it is things like these that scare the # out of my when cycling in Manhattan. I hope the driver gets caught and dealt with.
#10
Car-Free Flatlander
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Below 14th Street
Posts: 1,976
Bikes: Sirrus
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Newsday's versoin of the same story
From https://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/...eadlines-crime
Grandmother killed by bus in hit-and-run
DAVID LEPESKA and WIL CRUZ
STAFF WRITERS
September 17, 2005
A Manhattan grandmother was struck and killed Friday by a charter bus on the Lower East Side, the apparent victim of a hit-and-run, police said.
Jen Shao, 65, was riding her bike off the curb of Gouverneur Lane yesterday about 9:40 a.m. when she tried to turn on Water Street. The bus, traveling north on Water -- a narrow, two-way street with no bike lane -- clipped her, police said.
"I saw the woman right after the accident," said Abdul Nannan, 43, who owns a fruit stand about 20 feet from the accident. "She was laying there quietly; there was no blood."
"It was almost like she was asleep," he added.
Shao was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.
Police last night were trying to track the bus in question, but had little leads. No arrests have been made.
A sign on a drop box at Water Street urged witnesses to call 718-217-3529 with information about the accident.
Neighbors, meanwhile, said Shao moved into her apartment on Catherine Slip in the Alfred E. Smith housing projects about a year ago. She lived there with her adult daughter and two grandchildren, ages 13 and 2.
Yvette Miranda, 46, a captain of a tenant patrol in the housing complex, and other residents said Shao could be seen riding her bicycle every day.
"She always rode her bike in the morning," Miranda said. "But where she was going, I don't know.
"She was very quiet," she added. "But she always said hello to me."
From https://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/...eadlines-crime
Grandmother killed by bus in hit-and-run
DAVID LEPESKA and WIL CRUZ
STAFF WRITERS
September 17, 2005
A Manhattan grandmother was struck and killed Friday by a charter bus on the Lower East Side, the apparent victim of a hit-and-run, police said.
Jen Shao, 65, was riding her bike off the curb of Gouverneur Lane yesterday about 9:40 a.m. when she tried to turn on Water Street. The bus, traveling north on Water -- a narrow, two-way street with no bike lane -- clipped her, police said.
"I saw the woman right after the accident," said Abdul Nannan, 43, who owns a fruit stand about 20 feet from the accident. "She was laying there quietly; there was no blood."
"It was almost like she was asleep," he added.
Shao was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.
Police last night were trying to track the bus in question, but had little leads. No arrests have been made.
A sign on a drop box at Water Street urged witnesses to call 718-217-3529 with information about the accident.
Neighbors, meanwhile, said Shao moved into her apartment on Catherine Slip in the Alfred E. Smith housing projects about a year ago. She lived there with her adult daughter and two grandchildren, ages 13 and 2.
Yvette Miranda, 46, a captain of a tenant patrol in the housing complex, and other residents said Shao could be seen riding her bicycle every day.
"She always rode her bike in the morning," Miranda said. "But where she was going, I don't know.
"She was very quiet," she added. "But she always said hello to me."
#11
militant commuter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: lower manhattan
Posts: 476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
It is interesting to me how misplaced descriptions can change the feel of the story: Gouverneur is one block below Wall, (Financial district, two neighborhoods from LES) and Water is not narrow, two lanes each way with parking lanes on either side.
I used to live up the street from her new apartment on Catherine, I can tell you that grandparents play an integral role in the day to day schedule of children in Chinatown. I hope the family can handle this.
I used to live up the street from her new apartment on Catherine, I can tell you that grandparents play an integral role in the day to day schedule of children in Chinatown. I hope the family can handle this.
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,615
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by Laika
https://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=3448792
Elderly Woman Killed By Hit And Run Tour Bus
Police are looking for a double-decker tour bus that may have struck and killed an elderly woman riding a bicycle in Lower Manhattan Friday.
Elderly Woman Killed By Hit And Run Tour Bus
Police are looking for a double-decker tour bus that may have struck and killed an elderly woman riding a bicycle in Lower Manhattan Friday.
#13
Just Say No! (to gas) =0P
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Goshen, Indiana... but eventually I want to buy the farm! er... "A" farm... and grow/sell organic fruits, veggies, eggs, chickens, sheep, goats... =0D
Posts: 159
Bikes: Schwinn Traveler (70's), Western Galaxy Flyer (60's?)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Well, 200 years ago, people were lucky to live past 65. Now, people are lucky to retire at 65. Shoot, at the rate the age is going up, retirement age will be 80 by the time I'M 65.
It's a very sad story. In many cultures (sadly, not much in American culture anymore) grandparents are a vital part of the family, as was already mentioned. They are looked up to and often depended upon to help steer the grandchildren to the right path in life.
It's a very sad story. In many cultures (sadly, not much in American culture anymore) grandparents are a vital part of the family, as was already mentioned. They are looked up to and often depended upon to help steer the grandchildren to the right path in life.
#14
Sweetened with Splenda
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Brooklyn, Alabama
Posts: 2,335
Bikes: Too many 80s roadbikes!
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
NYTimes
It seems to me that this is one instance where cyclists can actually DO something in the aftermath. The company running those buses has the ability to investigate, and their customers are exposed to cyclists at every stoplight... How much (friendly) shouting info at tourists do you think it will take to get the offending driver busted?
MANHATTAN: TOUR BUS KILLS CYCLIST A Chinatown souvenir-shop owner was struck and killed by a tour bus as she rode her bicycle in downtown Manhattan at 9:45 yesterday morning on her way to renew her vendor's license, her daughter and the police said. The bus left the scene of the accident, the intersection of Water Street and Gouverneur Lane, the police said. They said the driver might not have been aware of striking Jen Shao, 65, who owned a shop on Mott Street. Investigators said that they were still searching for the bus and its driver last night. An investigator said that after the collision, witnesses reported seeing Ms. Shao fall under the rear wheels of the bus. The victim rode her blue bicycle often, according to her daughter, Cong Cong Hu, in part because cycling was easier for her than walking. Kareem Fahim (NYT)
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by wheezl
I feel sorry for the lady. Perhaps now that it's an old lady, someone might care.
Probably not.
#16
Commuting Horrorshow
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Livorno, Toscana, Italia
Posts: 503
Bikes: Giant OCR3, Decathlon ****box.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by barenakedbiker
Interesting point. Would anyone care for a middle-aged white guy who works on Wall St. killed while biking? How about a slimy, traffic-light running bike messenger? Or maybe, a poor, urban, black, negro African-American?
Everyone blows lights here However I see you agree with my point. Basically there is very little done to protect cyclists or pedestrians here. All you can hope for is that the media finds some angle that makes it worth reporting. Enough young white chicks have been killed that it will have to be something different if they are going to care.
I hope your reference to messengers was sarcastic cynicism (like I tend to employ) rather than how you actually feel about them.
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by wheezl
Everyone blows lights here However I see you agree with my point. Basically there is very little done to protect cyclists or pedestrians here. All you can hope for is that the media finds some angle that makes it worth reporting. Enough young white chicks have been killed that it will have to be something different if they are going to care.
I hope your reference to messengers was sarcastic cynicism (like I tend to employ) rather than how you actually feel about them.
I hope your reference to messengers was sarcastic cynicism (like I tend to employ) rather than how you actually feel about them.
Sarcastic cynicism??? Duh. What's dat?
#18
militant commuter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: lower manhattan
Posts: 476
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
She is a minority, who lived in an underserved, under represented ethnic enclave. I am sorry to say that only bikers and her family are going to take notice.
The Police anti-bike crackdown is "justifying" the public's treating us like we don't belong, and have no rights. Sadly, I don't think at least 12 deaths this year means anything to anyone but us.
The Police anti-bike crackdown is "justifying" the public's treating us like we don't belong, and have no rights. Sadly, I don't think at least 12 deaths this year means anything to anyone but us.
#19
royal dutch of dukes
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: brooklyn, nyc
Posts: 400
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 66 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
don't worry out pretty littl heads, it was merely an "accident." jeez, the ****ing cops in this city are such scumbags when it comes to bicyclists. critical mass all the way -- i only wish it could be every single day, never let cars come into manhattan.