Anti helmet newspaper article
03-27-06, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=-
This (MarkS)attitude and lack of tolerance and awareness is a pefect example of why we now suffer a government that will take away rights, legislate bizarre religious moralities
-- that's a stretch. You'd have to explain what you mean by "bizarre religious moralities". Is there a cult that requires people to not wear helmets? Seems like some members here must belong.
Insults do not an argument make. If you can't do better than that -- quit.
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03-27-06, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slagjumper
(REF: helmet use raises health care costs because you will live as a gorp for years with the gov or ins co flipping the bill)
My point is that the government gets used to the tax money generated by cig sales. They would no sooner ban that than legal gambling. More poor people die from cig use, should they pay more?
So you dont see anything wrong with paying 2 state troopers to catch one person a year?
I want that job. How hard can it be?
I agree that you should wear a helmet, but I do not think that people should be compelled to do it. On the other hand pink helmets might be big sellers in the UK.
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03-27-06, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=-
Originally Posted by MarkS
What are the other soft drugs?
Marijuana never had the social acceptance and consequent momentum of alcohol and cigarettes in this country. Also, at least in some people, marijuana seems to cause more serious damage faster than either of those vices. I'm thinking of an employee that I had the misfortune to oversee who could delete reams of text in front of him and not realize he had done it, was lucky to remember his name, and showed monumental bad judgment in business and personal matters. All before age 30. And had puffed large quantities of the weed while serving in Iraq take one...
Back on topic: Helmets are a low-cost and common sense precaution to the most serious potential bike injuries (i.e., those to the head). I am not advocating that laws be adopted mandating their use, but, then again, I wouldn't vote against such a law either.
Marijuana never had the social acceptance and consequent momentum of alcohol and cigarettes in this country. Also, at least in some people, marijuana seems to cause more serious damage faster than either of those vices. I'm thinking of an employee that I had the misfortune to oversee who could delete reams of text in front of him and not realize he had done it, was lucky to remember his name, and showed monumental bad judgment in business and personal matters. All before age 30. And had puffed large quantities of the weed while serving in Iraq take one...
Back on topic: Helmets are a low-cost and common sense precaution to the most serious potential bike injuries (i.e., those to the head). I am not advocating that laws be adopted mandating their use, but, then again, I wouldn't vote against such a law either.
This _is_ a joke, right ??
Please tell me this is a joke.
How do you respond to this ??
Other soft drugs include things like natural psychedelics (mushrooms, etc.), low-potency opiates which are on the DEA schedule of controlled substances (vicodin, et al.), anti-anxiety medication like valium and xanax, absinthe...
Your file-deleting friend's problems probably didn't come from marijuana - if it caused those kinds of effects, the US probably wouldn't have the highest worker productivity AND the highest rates of marijuana use in the industralized world. THIS PAGE might be a good place to find some answers.
As for helmets, they are also a low-cost and common sense precaution to prevent the most serious automobile accident injuries and deaths - especially if they are combined with race-style restraint systems. Mandatory helmet laws for drivers and more restrictive and inconvenient safety standards for cars would CERTAINLY save thousands of lives and millions or billions of health-care dollars each year.
03-27-06, 02:28 PM
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Mandatory helmet laws provide jobs and generate sales tax revenue. Jobs are provided in designing and manufaturing the helmet, testing the helmet, distributing the helmet and selling the helmet. Taxes are generated by all that eonomic activity. Advocates for MHL are often folks involved in the economic activity to be generated by the law.
Banning alcohol, tobacco or vehicles as has been suggested in this thread does the exact opposite. Farm jobs are lost, bottling jobs are lost, retail jobs are lost, etc. Sales and income tax generated by the enormous economic activity of these sectors (and other industries catering to risky behaviour) are massive.
The point isn't the relative insignificance of my or your personal health, safety or welfare or the potential for one head to crack open against a curb. It's the economy friends; and those who lobby and legislate to stoke the economy as represented by their personal interests.
How many jobs are there associated with the Consumer Product Safety Commission, Occupational Health and Safety Commission, Underwriters Labratories, etc., etc., etc. It's a good thing there are no lawyers involved. Right?
Banning alcohol, tobacco or vehicles as has been suggested in this thread does the exact opposite. Farm jobs are lost, bottling jobs are lost, retail jobs are lost, etc. Sales and income tax generated by the enormous economic activity of these sectors (and other industries catering to risky behaviour) are massive.
The point isn't the relative insignificance of my or your personal health, safety or welfare or the potential for one head to crack open against a curb. It's the economy friends; and those who lobby and legislate to stoke the economy as represented by their personal interests.
How many jobs are there associated with the Consumer Product Safety Commission, Occupational Health and Safety Commission, Underwriters Labratories, etc., etc., etc. It's a good thing there are no lawyers involved. Right?
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03-27-06, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by webist
Mandatory helmet laws provide jobs and generate sales tax revenue. ... It's a good thing there are no lawyers involved. Right?
If a helmet law is in effect and someone has a head injury there will be a reduction of award to the victim if there was no helmet worn.
Doesn't matter if the helmet could have helped or not. It's the law.
Isn't there something wrong if some Bozo breaks the law by going through a stop sign (say) plows into a cyclist and give the cyclist a head injury and the cyclist cannot be compensated because he/she wasn't wearing a helmet?
03-27-06, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
Isn't there something wrong if some Bozo breaks the law by going through a stop sign (say) plows into a cyclist and give the cyclist a head injury and the cyclist cannot be compensated because he/she wasn't wearing a helmet?
03-27-06, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZachS
it's really like talking down a well, isn't it?
Last edited by closetbiker; 03-27-06 at 09:22 PM.
