Portland: Police Enforcement Downtown this Morning
08-02-06, 09:04 PM
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If your colleague was preparing to make a left turn, as claimed, your colleague will easily beat this ticket. However, if the purpose of the "enforcement" is to harass cyclists, the officer probably doesn't care about the fact that your colleague will beat the ticket; the mere fact that your colleague will have to appear in court serves the officer's purpose of harassing cyclists.
08-02-06, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
One way they could prove equal enforcement would be to make public the number of tickets issued to cyclists and the number of tickets issued to motorists today in the targetted area. That data would speak volumes about what they were doing today.
08-02-06, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by randya
Since the bicycle mode split is approximately 3% to 5%, I would expect these numbers to be 95:5, motorists to bicyclists.
08-02-06, 09:40 PM
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I understand there was one known motorist who received a ticket for being in a bus-only lane. I have never been more grateful for going to work early today, as they were ticketing people on my route about 20 minutes after I got to work who were doing the exact same thing I do every day: use the far left lane on a one way street. Either the traffic police are extremely ignorant of Oregon law or this was a harassment campaign, or was at least turned into one by certain participating officers.
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Oregon Revised Statute 814.430: Improper use of lanes; exceptions; penalty.
(1) A person commits the offense of improper use of lanes by a bicycle if the person is operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic using the roadway at that time and place under the existing conditions and the person does not
ride as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway.
(2) A person is not in violation of the offense under this section if the person is not operating a bicycle as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway under any of the following circumstances:
(a) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle that is proceeding in the same direction.
(b) When preparing to execute a left turn.
(c) When reasonably necessary to avoid hazardous conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards or other conditions that make continued operation along the right curb or edge unsafe or to avoid unsafe operation in a lane on the roadway that is too narrow for a bicycle and vehicle to travel safely side by side. Nothing in this paragraph excuses the operator of a bicycle from the requirements under ORS 811.425 or from the penalties for failure to comply with those requirements.
(d) When operating within a city as near as practicable to the left curb or edge of a roadway that is designated to allow traffic to move in only one direction along the roadway. A bicycle that is operated under this paragraph is subject to the same requirements and exceptions when operating along the left curb or edge as are applicable when a bicycle is operating along the right curb or edge of the roadway.
(e) When operating a bicycle alongside not more than one other bicycle as long as the bicycles are both being operated within a single lane and in a manner that does not impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic.
(f) When operating on a bicycle lane or bicycle path.
(1) A person commits the offense of improper use of lanes by a bicycle if the person is operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic using the roadway at that time and place under the existing conditions and the person does not
ride as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway.
(2) A person is not in violation of the offense under this section if the person is not operating a bicycle as close as practicable to the right curb or edge of the roadway under any of the following circumstances:
(a) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle that is proceeding in the same direction.
(b) When preparing to execute a left turn.
(c) When reasonably necessary to avoid hazardous conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards or other conditions that make continued operation along the right curb or edge unsafe or to avoid unsafe operation in a lane on the roadway that is too narrow for a bicycle and vehicle to travel safely side by side. Nothing in this paragraph excuses the operator of a bicycle from the requirements under ORS 811.425 or from the penalties for failure to comply with those requirements.
(d) When operating within a city as near as practicable to the left curb or edge of a roadway that is designated to allow traffic to move in only one direction along the roadway. A bicycle that is operated under this paragraph is subject to the same requirements and exceptions when operating along the left curb or edge as are applicable when a bicycle is operating along the right curb or edge of the roadway.
(e) When operating a bicycle alongside not more than one other bicycle as long as the bicycles are both being operated within a single lane and in a manner that does not impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic.
(f) When operating on a bicycle lane or bicycle path.
08-02-06, 10:32 PM
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BRAVO to Portland police for facing up to these folks. I doubt BTA will come to their rescue. BTA is not there to support lawbreaking, they are there for safe bicycling and advocacy. And, yes, the police should definitely also sit in a bike lane some day and see what cyclists have to put up with too!!!!
I've worked in downtown Portland for 8 years now. Been almost mowed down by cyclists who stop for NOTHING. The worst thing is in two extremely close instances, the cyclists just kept right on riding--never stopped to see what they had done to me, never apologized. I am talking turning right into pedestrians crossing streets (they-pedestrians- had the right of way), riding on sidewalks around blind corners at high rates of speedm etc. There are more than a handful of cyclists who are really out of control...Advocacy is one thing. Being careless and stupid is another.
I've ridden thousands of miles, and love bicycling. But I don't consider these thoughtless riders my comrades.
I've worked in downtown Portland for 8 years now. Been almost mowed down by cyclists who stop for NOTHING. The worst thing is in two extremely close instances, the cyclists just kept right on riding--never stopped to see what they had done to me, never apologized. I am talking turning right into pedestrians crossing streets (they-pedestrians- had the right of way), riding on sidewalks around blind corners at high rates of speedm etc. There are more than a handful of cyclists who are really out of control...Advocacy is one thing. Being careless and stupid is another.
I've ridden thousands of miles, and love bicycling. But I don't consider these thoughtless riders my comrades.
08-02-06, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Re Cycle
BRAVO to Portland police for facing up to these folks. I doubt BTA will come to their rescue. BTA is not there to support lawbreaking, they are there for safe bicycling and advocacy.
And, yes, the police should definitely also sit in a bike lane some day and see what cyclists have to put up with too!!!!
I've worked in downtown Portland for 8 years now. Been almost mowed down by cyclists who stop for NOTHING. The worst thing is in two extremely close instances, the cyclists just kept right on riding--never stopped to see what they had done to me, never apologized. I am talking turning right into pedestrians crossing streets (they-pedestrians- had the right of way), riding on sidewalks around blind corners at high rates of speedm etc. There are more than a handful of cyclists who are really out of control...Advocacy is one thing. Being careless and stupid is another.
I've ridden thousands of miles, and love bicycling. But I don't consider these thoughtless riders my comrades.
I've worked in downtown Portland for 8 years now. Been almost mowed down by cyclists who stop for NOTHING. The worst thing is in two extremely close instances, the cyclists just kept right on riding--never stopped to see what they had done to me, never apologized. I am talking turning right into pedestrians crossing streets (they-pedestrians- had the right of way), riding on sidewalks around blind corners at high rates of speedm etc. There are more than a handful of cyclists who are really out of control...Advocacy is one thing. Being careless and stupid is another.
I've ridden thousands of miles, and love bicycling. But I don't consider these thoughtless riders my comrades.
And I've had the same experiences with nearly being mowed down by a handful of jerks.
I agree about enforcing the law, but I disagree with any enforcement approach that targets cyclists while turning a blind eye towards motorists.
08-02-06, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sgtsmile
Regarding what one does if the chain brakes, I would ask the following: what if a brake cable snaps, the brake shoe slips off the rim into the spokes, the cable tensioner nut on the caliper slips, the master cylinder on the cop car sticks, the cars brake pads shatter, the driver hits the gas and brake at the same time, or the cow jumps over the moon? The simple answer is that maintenance prevents these things, but then again, if someone is being a dumbass, I get sarcastic.
08-02-06, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Re Cycle
BRAVO to Portland police for facing up to these folks. I doubt BTA will come to their rescue. BTA is not there to support lawbreaking, they are there for safe bicycling and advocacy. And, yes, the police should definitely also sit in a bike lane some day and see what cyclists have to put up with too!!!!
I've worked in downtown Portland for 8 years now. Been almost mowed down by cyclists who stop for NOTHING. The worst thing is in two extremely close instances, the cyclists just kept right on riding--never stopped to see what they had done to me, never apologized. I am talking turning right into pedestrians crossing streets (they-pedestrians- had the right of way), riding on sidewalks around blind corners at high rates of speedm etc. There are more than a handful of cyclists who are really out of control...Advocacy is one thing. Being careless and stupid is another.
I've ridden thousands of miles, and love bicycling. But I don't consider these thoughtless riders my comrades.
I've worked in downtown Portland for 8 years now. Been almost mowed down by cyclists who stop for NOTHING. The worst thing is in two extremely close instances, the cyclists just kept right on riding--never stopped to see what they had done to me, never apologized. I am talking turning right into pedestrians crossing streets (they-pedestrians- had the right of way), riding on sidewalks around blind corners at high rates of speedm etc. There are more than a handful of cyclists who are really out of control...Advocacy is one thing. Being careless and stupid is another.
I've ridden thousands of miles, and love bicycling. But I don't consider these thoughtless riders my comrades.
I'm also somewhat disturbed at targeting cyclists when many motorists are doing illegal things, too. When's the last time you saw a driver downtown get pulled over for tailgaiting, cutting off, dooring, or threatening someone on a bike? In the 6 years I've worked downtown, I've never seen it. I've never even seen anyone pulled over for speeding, and there are some real maniacs out there that need a wake up call in the worst way.
I've got no problem with citations for traffic law violations. In fact, I welcome them. But consistently targeting 2 wheeled vehicles with no motor and nothing else on the road? You bet I'm going to complain and the BTA will advocate against unfair targeting. If you read the link Randya posted, you will see that the BTA executive director is implying just that.
08-03-06, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
. . . becoming mainstream means losing some freedom. . . .
To be fair, you did say that the cyclists should fight the tickets. And you are right, we need to wait until courts rule on the tickets for a final judgment. But if there were no bike lanes on the downtown streets, fewer cyclists would have tickets they have to fight.
08-03-06, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sgtsmile
All it has to do under Ontario law is lock the rear wheel. I believe if your control is good enough, all you have to do is a rear wheel bunny hop, reverse engines ( 
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Regarding what one does if the chain brakes, I would ask the following: what if a brake cable snaps, the brake shoe slips off the rim into the spokes, the cable tensioner nut on the caliper slips, the master cylinder on the cop car sticks, the cars brake pads shatter, the driver hits the gas and brake at the same time, or the cow jumps over the moon? The simple answer is that maintenance prevents these things, but then again, if someone is being a dumbass, I get sarcastic.
) and lock the rear wheel. However, only a die hard or the uninformed would argue that a rear brake alone is as good as a strong front brake and a rear brake for balance used in combination. Regarding what one does if the chain brakes, I would ask the following: what if a brake cable snaps, the brake shoe slips off the rim into the spokes, the cable tensioner nut on the caliper slips, the master cylinder on the cop car sticks, the cars brake pads shatter, the driver hits the gas and brake at the same time, or the cow jumps over the moon? The simple answer is that maintenance prevents these things, but then again, if someone is being a dumbass, I get sarcastic.
I see both sides here. The law is the law and if you're in compliance (by any means of braking energy) then one should not be ticketed.
However, purposely not having a back up system, (especially when you well being is at stake) IMHO is NOT a wise decission.
Every bike with freewheel gearing has both rear and front brakes. Three speed coaster brake bikes also have a front brake. Motorcycles have brakes on both ends and most if not all cars built post 1968 have dual system master cylinders... one for the front, one for the back so that you have some stopping power in the event of a failure.
We could bandy about 'What if' scenarios 'til Hector rots in his grave, but none of it will save your arse if your only system fails. As granddaddy always said... An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Originally Posted by Stacey
Three speed coaster brake bikes also have a front brake.
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Originally Posted by Stacey
Every bike with freewheel gearing has both rear and front brakes.
The majority of BMX's sold these days have only a rear brake.
I've been in situations where my brake cable snapped, and simply foot jammed my rear tire to stop safely.
Yes, I ride a BMX in traffic.
08-03-06, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by trackhub
There must not be much crime in Portland, OR.
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Originally Posted by donnamb
I don't disagree with your complaints about some downtown cyclists. I'm sure that many think it's unfair to get a ticket for running a red light, blowing a stop sign, turning into pedestrians, or riding on the sidewalk (illegal in downtown Portland), but I'm fine with it. The fixie brake issue is another kettle of fish entirely, and way beyond the scope of this thread (or my ability to form a well-reasoned opinion). What's really not ok, and I think this is what has gotten so many in Portland upset, is the tickets that were given for performing completely legal manuevers.
I'm also somewhat disturbed at targeting cyclists when many motorists are doing illegal things, too. When's the last time you saw a driver downtown get pulled over for tailgaiting, cutting off, dooring, or threatening someone on a bike? In the 6 years I've worked downtown, I've never seen it. I've never even seen anyone pulled over for speeding, and there are some real maniacs out there that need a wake up call in the worst way.
I've got no problem with citations for traffic law violations. In fact, I welcome them. But consistently targeting 2 wheeled vehicles with no motor and nothing else on the road? You bet I'm going to complain and the BTA will advocate against unfair targeting. If you read the link Randya posted, you will see that the BTA executive director is implying just that.
I'm also somewhat disturbed at targeting cyclists when many motorists are doing illegal things, too. When's the last time you saw a driver downtown get pulled over for tailgaiting, cutting off, dooring, or threatening someone on a bike? In the 6 years I've worked downtown, I've never seen it. I've never even seen anyone pulled over for speeding, and there are some real maniacs out there that need a wake up call in the worst way.
I've got no problem with citations for traffic law violations. In fact, I welcome them. But consistently targeting 2 wheeled vehicles with no motor and nothing else on the road? You bet I'm going to complain and the BTA will advocate against unfair targeting. If you read the link Randya posted, you will see that the BTA executive director is implying just that.
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Originally Posted by Stacey
I see both sides here. The law is the law and if you're in compliance (by any means of braking energy) then one should not be ticketed.
However, purposely not having a back up system, (especially when you well being is at stake) IMHO is NOT a wise decission.
Every bike with freewheel gearing has both rear and front brakes. Three speed coaster brake bikes also have a front brake. Motorcycles have brakes on both ends and most if not all cars built post 1968 have dual system master cylinders... one for the front, one for the back so that you have some stopping power in the event of a failure.
We could bandy about 'What if' scenarios 'til Hector rots in his grave, but none of it will save your arse if your only system fails. As granddaddy always said... An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
However, purposely not having a back up system, (especially when you well being is at stake) IMHO is NOT a wise decission.
Every bike with freewheel gearing has both rear and front brakes. Three speed coaster brake bikes also have a front brake. Motorcycles have brakes on both ends and most if not all cars built post 1968 have dual system master cylinders... one for the front, one for the back so that you have some stopping power in the event of a failure.
We could bandy about 'What if' scenarios 'til Hector rots in his grave, but none of it will save your arse if your only system fails. As granddaddy always said... An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
tbh, I am debating a fixie for giggles, but am more likely go go with a freewheel singlespeed. But I will be fitting it (the fixie) with brakes..... This is more for my own comfort level rather than to follow a law (since you can skid the rear wheel on a brakeless fixie and that is what the law here requires).
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I've always wondered about this....I would think most fixie riders would affix a front brake to it, just to meet legality requirements. After all the braking effect on a fixed gear is not a dedicated braking device, and isn't that what the law is asking for?
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Like using the traffic lanes?
To be fair, you did say that the cyclists should fight the tickets. And you are right, we need to wait until courts rule on the tickets for a final judgment. But if there were no bike lanes on the downtown streets, fewer cyclists would have tickets they have to fight.
To be fair, you did say that the cyclists should fight the tickets. And you are right, we need to wait until courts rule on the tickets for a final judgment. But if there were no bike lanes on the downtown streets, fewer cyclists would have tickets they have to fight.
08-03-06, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Evan Manvel, BTA
According to Lt. Kruger, yesterday morning’s action:
23 citations to cyclists
17 citations to pedestrians
13 citations to vehicles
6 warnings
23 citations to cyclists
17 citations to pedestrians
13 citations to vehicles
6 warnings
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Originally Posted by donnamb
I don't like the bike lanes downtown, though I love them on the high speed suburban roads I occasionally have to ride on. That aside, I am really, really annoyed by the tickets the police gave out to people who were using the traffic lanes legally when there was no bike lane on the street. We actually have very few downtown bike lanes (thank heavens).
1. RTOL for traffic turning right on SW 2nd. These motorists have to cross the bike lane to get into the RTOL, and many don't look for bicyclists.
2. Busses cross the bike lane to access a bus stop in the RTOL between SW 1st and SW 2nd.
3. Traffic in the right lane backs up at SW 4th due to high level of pedestrian activity at SW 4th, another bus stop between SW 4th and SW 5th, and many right turning motorists at SW 4th.
4. I need to make a left turn at SW 5th.
In other words, the last block of the bike lane (between SW 1st and SW 2nd) is unsafe due to traffic conditions, because of which I am legally allowed to leave the lane; and west of SW 2nd, there is no bike lane and I am legally allowed to use the left lane on the one way street. I didn't receive a ticket for doing what I do everyday yesterday, but I know several cyclists who did.
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Yep, being in a bike lane in downtown Portland is like being locked up with homicidal maniacs most days...
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
Bike theft is epidemic. Any guesses about what the PPB is doing about that?
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Bike lanes create more problems for cyclists than they solve (if they solve any at all).
Just say, "no thank you" to bike lanes.
Just say, "no thank you" to bike lanes.