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N_C 10-15-06 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by sbhikes
Elderly drivers who were driving long past their capability to do so safely has been a problem since the WWII generation. I remember my grandma's driving. Oooh. Gives me shivers. But at least she never drove an SUV text messaging with one hand, drinking a latte with the other, and periodically slapping the kids in the back seat while folding laundry on the freeway.

Slapping kids in the back seat? You're kidding right? These days that will get you in trouble with DHS, child protective services, law enforcement, etc. I think it is more like you kids behave or I'm taking away your X-box, or what ever fancy new high tech toy the kids have these days.

waunderin 10-15-06 10:11 AM

boomers
 
being a first year baby boomer, i think you have things mixed up a bit.

Carusoswi 10-18-06 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by John Wilke
You'll want to drive as long a possible too, don't kid yourself.

jw

Nope, not N_C. He doesn't think that way. His skills will never diminish. All those safety items that his Gen X is responsible for have been around a long time - but he assumes he (or his Gen X) can take credit for them while, at the same time, he totally neglects to consider that the BB generation has made its fair share of contributions or that its appetite for self-gratification actually was the catalyst that resulted in some of the creature comforts developed by the BB's that N_C takes for granted. N_C will never cause or be the victim of an accident either on his bike or while he drives a car because he is just too smart, and, as for growing old, it will never happen to him.

Caruso

John E 10-18-06 06:46 PM

I concur that motorists continuing to drive when they are no longer physically able to do so safely are a major public health menace, but the octagenarian who mowed down a bunch of folks in the Santa Monica Mall is a full generation ahead of the boomers. Don't single out any particular generation, but help become part of the solution, by advocating in favor of: 1) individual accountability; 2) improved public transit; 3) periodic retesting of motorists of all ages; and 4) well-interconnected roads with 25-35mph / 40-55kph speed limits, to accommodate NEVs.

chipcom 10-18-06 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by N_C
So what some fo you are saying is cyclists are safe from BB's resisting giving up their driving due to problems associated with age for at least another 15 to 20 years.

But you should be afraid anyway, I might fall asleep at the wheel and wake up with my boot in your butt.

John E 10-18-06 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by chipcom
But you should be afraid anyway, I might fall asleep at the wheel and wake up with my boot in your butt.

You tell 'em, Chip! (We Boomer Bianchi Tre Tubi owners have to stick together.)

Bikepacker67 10-18-06 07:37 PM

Being born in '67, I'm an old Gen-X'er (or more aptly, a Baby-Buster) and from my perspective the major problem(s) I have with Boomers [as a collective] is that they wield too much demographic power, and as they get older will demand (and get) more and more.

I-Like-To-Bike 10-18-06 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Carusoswi
Nope, not N_C...growing old, it will never happen to him.

Probably not if he keeps tooting his Air Zound at strangers.

supcom 10-18-06 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by John E
I concur that motorists continuing to drive when they are no longer physically able to do so safely are a major public health menace...

You must not have bothered to look up any statistics before you came to this conclusion. Please check the Statistical Abstract of the United States, Table 1096, available online at the US census website (google "statistical abstract") There you will find that, in the year 2003, 75 and older drivers represent 6.5% of all licensed drivers, yet they involved in only 2.9% of accidents. This means that the elderly have a lower than average accident rate.

Contrast this to drivers 19 years and younger. These represent 4.8% of licensed drivers, yet they are involved in a whopping 22.1% of accidents! 20-24 year olds fare little better, representing 8.4% of all drivers and being in 18.3% of accidents.

From this, I'd say that drivers less than 25 years old are the "major public health menace".

Bikepacker67 10-18-06 09:35 PM


75 and older drivers represent 6.5% of all licensed drivers, yet they involved in only 2.9% of accidents. This means that the elderly have a lower than average accident rate.
Means absolutely NOTHING unless correlated to miles driven.
Oldsters are notorious for causing mayhem in a 5 mile radius.

Bekologist 10-18-06 10:08 PM

has the OP confused the baby boomers with the Gen X and gen nexters?

boomers are the last of the stalwart americans with generational integrity, if there can be such a thing.

its the younger gen that is me, me, me, gottsta have it now immediacy. NOT boomers. and boomers largely HAVEN'T retired yet- they haven't reached mandatory retirement age yet! only the very frugal, lucky, wealthy, invalid, fully vested, or dirtbag among them are 'retired.'

Ask your Baby boomer buddies (who should most all remember when there wasn't any color TV, credit cards, cell phones or overnight delivery) how much 'instant gratification' they got when they were younger......

supcom 10-19-06 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
Oldsters are notorious for causing mayhem in a 5 mile radius.

Means absolutely NOTHING without a link to objective statistics.

LittleBigMan 10-19-06 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by N_C
If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.

Finally, someone figured out that it really is all about me!

Ooh, ooh! I almost forgot to tell y'all, the 14th was my birthday! :bday:

I'll take cash, don't send any stupid clothes.

chipcom 10-19-06 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
Oldsters are notorious for causing mayhem in a 5 mile radius.

Young drivers never cause any problems by exceeding the speed limit, weaving in and out of traffic lanes, talking on cell phones, driving recklessly and popping zits in the rearview mirror. :rolleyes:

lyledriver 10-19-06 10:59 AM

RENEW! RENEW!

http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m1/logans-run2.jpg

markhr 10-19-06 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by lyledriver

I call your renew and raise you a sanctuary

cat4ever 10-19-06 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by N_C

I wonder what will happen when the the BB's start having to give up their driving priviliges. Will it be more difficult to prevent them from driving then it is the current generation this is happening to? They think they are entitled to everything so what will happen?





I wonder what will happen when N_C will have to give up his/her driving priviliges. He/she thinks he/she is entitled to everything so what will happen?

slowandsteady 10-19-06 12:20 PM


If it is one undeniable fact about a good majority of the baby boomer generation it is the I'm entitled to everything attitude. I know this is true for a lot of generations but the BB's takes the cake when it comes down to it.
Given your age of 35, you most likely were the offspring of members of the baby boomer generation. This isn't a nice way to talk about mom and dad.

Bikepacker67 10-19-06 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by chipcom
Young drivers never cause any problems by exceeding the speed limit, weaving in and out of traffic lanes, talking on cell phones, driving recklessly and popping zits in the rearview mirror. :rolleyes:


Sure they do. And that's why there's a slew of regulation regarding teen drivers.
I just think we should apply some regulation (retesting) for the decrepit.

Keith99 10-19-06 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
Sure they do. And that's why there's a slew of regulation regarding teen drivers.
I just think we should apply some regulation (retesting) for the decrepit.

I think some retesting makes sense. But I would strongly prefer a process with some thought behind it, not just the blind use of a number. E.g not just you are over x years old you have to be tested every year, every thing. There is no reason to think older drivers suddenly lose the skills/knowledge. But eyes do start to go (and are easy to test). Start eye testing at 60 don't have just pass/ not pass. Have good, pass, fail. Good buys 3 or 4 years, pass just one or two. Same with other factors that could be deteriorating. Base the next test on a bit more than just age. At 65 I intend to still be playing Rugby, and not just olde boys games. On the other side I've seen people that at 65 have more than one foot in the grave.

Keith99 10-19-06 02:03 PM

Also how about making an accident when aging an automatic trigger for retesting? Many of the old farts that make the news seem to have a record of tickets and accidents. Poor driving seems to me a far better reason to suspect future poor driving than simply age (young or old).

slowandsteady 10-19-06 03:10 PM


Slapping kids in the back seat? You're kidding right? These days that will get you in trouble with DHS, child protective services, law enforcement, etc.
Nope. You can still slap your kids.

I-Like-To-Bike 10-19-06 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by slowandsteady
Nope. You can still slap your kids.

The OP will have to satisfy his urge to administer discipline with somebody else's kids for now. Or at least get off obsessing about it.

Road Fan 10-19-06 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Keith99
Also how about making an accident when aging an automatic trigger for retesting? Many of the old farts that make the news seem to have a record of tickets and accidents. Poor driving seems to me a far better reason to suspect future poor driving than simply age (young or old).

So just being logical, (prob a bad move in this thread!) if we all begin to age at age zero, everyone who has an accident should be retested regardless of age. I like it!

John C. Ratliff 10-19-06 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
Sure they do. And that's why there's a slew of regulation regarding teen drivers.
I just think we should apply some regulation (retesting) for the decrepit.

Decrepit huh? Well, let's get into a Judo Dojo, or a swimming pool, and see who gets out. Or maybe I'll try racing you on a long downhill in my Rans Stratus ;)

Better be careful who you call decrepit.

John


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