Phil Liggett - fear monger?
02-20-07, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
What was I thinking?
Of course cyclists who nearly cause accidents could never be called jackasses.
Of course cyclists who nearly cause accidents could never be called jackasses.
For riding where a falling rock could be in the middle of the road around any corner?
For riding where a deer could easily jump into the road at almost any point?
For riding where conditions are such that the average speed of motorists is only 40 mph?
For riding where cars and trucks often must stop in the middle of the road (to wait to make a left turn, to check out a view, etc.)?
No, cyclists who ride on such roads should most definitely not be called jackasses.
A motorist who drives too fast for conditions, and who nearly causes accidents by driving too fast, that is who should be called a jackass.
Riding a bicycle legally and responsibly on a road like PCH is not nearly causing an accident, and construing simply riding on such a road as an accident cause is very harmful to cyclists' interests.
I don't know if you're just pulling a chipcom (and my leg), but if you're serious, and your position represents the feelings and thoughts of many other bike advocates, that explains much... But I hope you're kidding.
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02-20-07, 06:44 PM
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It's amazing where this thread has headed. I'm finally beginning to see why people "avoid A&S like the plague".
02-20-07, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
You're thinking about it all wrong, HH. Probably comes from trying to rid yourself of that huge inferiority complex you never realized you had until Forester told you about it.
The question isn't one of motorists vs. cyclists, and who is in whose way; the question is how traffic of different masses and speeds can safely and fairly share the roadway. Your notion that they should be mixed accomplishes neither of those goals.
The question isn't one of motorists vs. cyclists, and who is in whose way; the question is how traffic of different masses and speeds can safely and fairly share the roadway. Your notion that they should be mixed accomplishes neither of those goals.
Just like cars and trucks, it's often preferred that they be separated.
But that's not to say that it's not okay for them to be "mixed", or that there is something inherently wrong that must be corrected if they are mixed, or that a road that is too narrow for separation does not accomodate for cyclists, or that it's appropriate to fault a cyclist for nearly causing an accident, and calling him an *******, for simply riding on a road where "mixing" is required, simply because the lane is not wide enough for separation.
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Originally Posted by CrosseyedCrickt
It's amazing where this thread has headed. I'm finally beginning to see why people "avoid A&S like the plague".
02-20-07, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Someone is a jackass for legally and safely riding on a road where slow moving vehicles are not prohibited?
Why don't you do us all a favor, and let us know in which state it's legal for a slow-moving vehicle to not drive as close as practicable to the right....
For riding where a falling rock could be in the middle of the road around any corner?
For riding where a deer could easily jump into the road at almost any point?
For riding where a deer could easily jump into the road at almost any point?
For riding where conditions are such that the average speed of motorists is only 40 mph?
For riding where cars and trucks often must stop in the middle of the road (to wait to make a left turn, to check out a view, etc.)?
No, cyclists who ride on such roads should most definitely not be called jackasses.
A motorist who drives too fast for conditions, and who nearly causes accidents by driving too fast, that is who should be called a jackass.
Riding a bicycle legally and responsibly on a road like PCH is not nearly causing an accident, and construing simply riding on such a road as an accident cause is very harmful to cyclists' interests.
I don't know if you're just pulling a chipcom (and my leg), but if you're serious, and your position represents the feelings and thoughts of many others bike advocates, that explains much... But I hope you're kidding.
