Tom Stormcrowe

Not intimidated, just exercising sober judgment. I'm 47 years old, and have learned that sometimes judgment trumps ROW. I'd ride it slowly and safely, and assert my rights in a safer location. I have no problems riding in traffic and do long distance bike touring. I just reserve my fighting for situations where my risk of death is a bit less......intense! I'm going to guess you're somewhere between 17 and 25? I may be wrong of course, but that's my guess. When you're young and still feel bulletproof, you're willing to accept more risk than after you find out you ain't! I heal up slower and am less inclined to take risks I judge to be unreasonable.

Blue Jays

If it was a wreckless driver, the accident would have never happened by definition! It's the reckless ones that cause me concern.

Ky Venom

See above post.

I'll keep my eyes open. I'm going to start carrying my hiking poles with me while walking. Hope I don't have any accidents with you on the sidewalk.

Ky Venom

Hey, I know that is how most people feel.

Now, I think the way we change that atittude for motorist toward bikes is through enforcement of exsisting laws.

Tom Stormcrowe

Cool, and I'll bookmark this post to show intent in court!

Ky Venom

DUH... Exactly... MURDER.

notzofast

Ok Kv Venom. I don't know where you from, but where I'm from we value own's life. Just because your mother never taught you to value your own life, does not mean I have to suffer to your ignorance. Putting your own life at risk to prove a point, be RIGHT, or IMPRESS people, is dumb in my book. If it is not dumb in your book, if your book is dumb, please don't advocate that macho ready to die crap to me.

It sounds like you trying to impress the ladies?


I'm not a lady. No need for you to impress me. No point in fact. Your values stink.

Tom Stormcrowe

Wreckless= No Accident

Reckless= what you are trying to say.

Ky Venom

Please do. Remember, I will be the one that will be crowded, encroached upon, and traveling in a legal means.

Best of luck. You'll need it.

See ya soon.

Ky Venom

Awe.... Thanks! We have so little of that in our society. We could all benefit from behavior such as that.

notzofast

What he wanted to say was:


Please do. Remember, I am better than you and more popular. If you think you're better than me and more popular best of luck with your ignorant believes. I'm better. I'm more popular. You're not!!!! HAHAHAHA


Yes, Kv. You're better than me. Man, cyclist, sucka, whatever.

Blue Order

That looks like a very long bridge to cross, with lanes too narrow to safely share. The traffic planning for the bridge bridge clearly didn't take cyclists into account, much less accommodate them. No cyclist is going to be able to cross that bridge without holding up much faster traffic, and I think we all know what happens when we do that. The traffic design of that bridge is just not conducive to cycles coexisting safely and harmoniously with other bridge traffic. The obvious practical solution is to mark out bike lanes on the sidewalk.

Blue Jays

Ky Venom, if you're walking across the 5700-foot Second Street Bridge carrying hiking poles and I approached behind you on a bicycle, I would simply say, ""Good Morning! Excuse me while I scoot past. Have a nice day." That would be it and we would both continue our travels.

Tom Stormcrowe

You are quite welcome young man!

Conveyor Belt

There's a time and a place for everything. That bridge is no place to start a demonstration of cyclist rights to the road. If you want to do it, fine, but don't begrudge those who can see an accident like that coming a mile away.

I ride with cars. Around here, there are no bike lanes and fewer sidewalks. I ride on one sidewalk(about 1/4 mile), only because the road has zero shoulder, is a very narrow 4 lane road, and cars travel recklessly on it. It's an accident looking for a place to happen. I know it, I can see it, so I avoid it.

I'm all for cyclist rights to the road, but I'm NOT willing to die for them, and am sorrowful when anyone does. Sometimes we just have to be the bigger people on the road and let the cars have their fill. We have a better view on the backstreets, anyhow. I bet the view from the edge of the bridge was much better than the roadbed anyhow.

Flame on...

Ky Venom

Look at the pics. That is what is looked like at the time of the incident.

I know the usual speed for motorist in that 35 mph are is about 55 to 60. I know he had reflectors on. I don't having a "blinky" is required. I know traveling a safe speed at a safe distance is required.


I can only hope something happens in their life horrible enough to change the driver.

Ky Venom

I DO apologize if that is impression I gave. I HATE that concept.

I only meant to imply that I get attention, or call attention for specific reasons.

Blue Jays

Blue Order, here are facts about the George Rogers Clark Memorial / Second Street Bridge that was opened in 1929. Total length of the span is approximately 5700 feet.

notzofast

Now you see you wishing something bad to someone. That's so low. You're hating, instead of loving. Should you live past your years of biking the wrong way you will die an old poor man who never learned a thing. How sad.

Blue Order

Even if all the cars are observing the speed limit, that's a high rate of speed to expect a cyclist to keep up. For comparison, the peloton in the 2007 Tour de France was traveling at 30-34 mph on the flat routes. To expect that of the average cyclist for the length of that bridge is ludicrous... And that assumes that the cars are observing the speed limit, which they clearly aren't.

The bridge needs to be re-thought to accommodate cyclists, and the cheapest way to do that is to mark out cycle lanes on the sidewalk.

Ky Venom

Nope. Wrong guy. I have the scars to prove I am not bulletproof. I "about" your age. Like most, I have mellowed out a LOT in years.

I understand very well your points. I am simply unwilling to "put up" with the situation any longer. That is why I have joined a local advocacy group.

Ky Venom

Ummm... sound like you are wishing that on me... and I follow the law.

I'll tell you what is low. Someone running a person down in the street like an animal. That is low. Nothing being done about it is even worse.

Sounds like I may be one of the few biking the right way. No wonder so many motorist hate people on bikes and look down on them.

Yeah, sound like you did not learn anything about civil rights.

rando

Me, too, Tom. I crossed that bridge a lot when I lived in Kentucky. I feel sorry for the victim and angry at the guy who hit him. not every road is a good road to ride a bike on.

Tom Stormcrowe

In the case of the Second Street Bridge, since it is the only nonmotorized access bridge available, why not advocate, in this case, specific access to the sidewalk with signage and striping for a bike lane, since realistically, the lanes are too narrow and the total span too long for safe passage with bikes and cars mixing. This is one of the few instances where a bike lane really makes sense, or shared bike/pedestrian use. How many people actually walk across the bridge anyway?

Blue Jays

Bicyclists and motorcyclists alike face tougher odds because there aren't the passive safety devices that are available to car and truck drivers. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that this is anything other than an unfortunate and tragic accident. Since this likely would have been a minor fenderbender if another car was involved, we don't need to crucify the driver.