Lane Control video
#151
Three... two large vans a trailer with a large spool of wire, and a large truck with a lift boom... there were several workers working around large green boxes on the side of the road, and there were orange cones before the trucks which were clustered in one area. How many K rails did you pass?
How do you know how fast the motorists were actually driving? More importantly this whole issue is not about the motorists that saw me, but about the ones that did not see me... as in the descriptions that ILTB and joejack both alluded to. The reaction time of the motorists that were behind the forward motorists are the issue... Just like the motorist that pulls around the van that is just to your left... and thought the space you were occupying was empty.
How do you know how fast the motorists were actually driving? More importantly this whole issue is not about the motorists that saw me, but about the ones that did not see me... as in the descriptions that ILTB and joejack both alluded to. The reaction time of the motorists that were behind the forward motorists are the issue... Just like the motorist that pulls around the van that is just to your left... and thought the space you were occupying was empty.
I do not count the k-rails. In construction zones there can be dozens interlocked into one solid wall for over a 1/2 mile or more.
I don't know how fast the motorists were actually driving, but by doing repeated mirror glances, I can estimate with good accuracy how soon it will be for them to reach me in terms of where I'll be by that time. And that's true whether they're going 25, 55 or 75.
While I can't tell if the 2nd (or 3rd motorist) sees me, I can see if the first motorist is slowing down or adjusting laterally, or not. In most cases he changes lanes well in time for the next motorist(s) to also notice me and change lanes, or, if the adjacent lane is full, they indicate they've noticed me by slowing down. That's what I look for. But I'm always prepared to be overlooked from behind, even though that has never even come close to happening. But in the unlikely event that it does, that's what the ditching plans are for, which apply regardless of the speed differentials, but do depend on the details of the particular situation.
#152
totally louche
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are you bickering with gene again about how he rides, proclaiming your superior riding techniques AGAIN, and sending ANOTHER thread off topic, serge?
Those VC tools are so tough they don't have to shoulder check, their panache and savior faire makes overtaking motorists cringe at their superpower vc abilities!
I still want to see some more video of them using a SoCal bike lane as a vehicular cyclist in heavy congested traffic.
Those VC tools are so tough they don't have to shoulder check, their panache and savior faire makes overtaking motorists cringe at their superpower vc abilities!
I still want to see some more video of them using a SoCal bike lane as a vehicular cyclist in heavy congested traffic.
Last edited by Bekologist; 03-31-08 at 11:06 PM.
#153
#154
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Again, the same techniques work for me whether I'm riding 18+ mph on my 17 lbs road bike or 8-12 mph on my 23 (?) lbs cyclocross bike pulling 60 lbs of daughter+trailer.
#155
Tortoise Wins by a Hare!
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I admire his positive "can do" attitude, so I'd like to see a HH video too.
#156
me too! the problem I see with HH, however, is that he seems to believe that since something like traveling across three high speed lanes at 8 mph hauling a bike trailer is something that can be done that everyone should want to do it.
#157
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I can't speak for HH, but it doesn't seem to me he thinks everyone should want to do it, as much as he believes they can do it if they really want to, and I like that. The world needs more Helmet Heads!
#158
Been Around Awhile

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
You and I agree that "controlling drivers" is hardly a sure thing as touted by HH et al.
Edit: apparently overcome by events and no longer an issue.
Last edited by I-Like-To-Bike; 04-01-08 at 04:31 AM.
#159
totally louche
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"Mr. Bean controls the lane!"
Can the videographers provide video evidence of their ability to differentiate between 4" stripes that demarcate shoulders in CA, and 6" stripes that demarcate Bike lanes, which, when well designed and implemented, provide vehicular cyclists a position to ride that is not in violation of the rules of the road for thru travel?
unsucessfully editing out riding in a bike lane as a vehicular cyclist past a driveway, and then denying it, is really quite unflattering, cyclistlorax....
Can the videographers provide video evidence of their ability to differentiate between 4" stripes that demarcate shoulders in CA, and 6" stripes that demarcate Bike lanes, which, when well designed and implemented, provide vehicular cyclists a position to ride that is not in violation of the rules of the road for thru travel?
unsucessfully editing out riding in a bike lane as a vehicular cyclist past a driveway, and then denying it, is really quite unflattering, cyclistlorax....
#160
genec
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#161
Would you have as much respect for the person who rides exclusively on bike paths and MUP's and insists that if they can do it everyone can? I think there's something wrong with both those pictures.
#162
Software for Cyclists

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQbTf...eature=related
ILTB - this one's for you (warning - it's risque, and off-topic).
ILTB - this one's for you (warning - it's risque, and off-topic).
#163
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQbTf...eature=related
ILTB - this one's for you (warning - it's risque, and off-topic).
ILTB - this one's for you (warning - it's risque, and off-topic).
Check out the movie "Girl on a Motorcycle" with Marianne Faithfull taking an exciting bike ride. All natural leather, none of that sissy lycra when she goes for a ride!
https://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800070510/details
(warning - it's risque, and off-topic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvfa...?v=wMvfaCN30eY





