Practicable/possible definition
03-26-08, 02:08 PM
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If laws were understandable by the general public, we would have less need for lawyers and the lynching of legislators would be a common occurrence.
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03-26-08, 02:14 PM
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Perhaps, but we'll probably never find out because I will probably never even get cited if I'm riding as far right as the door zone on a street where curbside parked cars are not present.
Agreed.
Huh? My argument is not and has never been that it is unsafe to ride to the right of traffic.
What the heck are you talking about? With parked cars not being present, I'm talking about riding in the door zone, beside faster vehicular traffic where I'm not interfering with their travel any more than the presence of a parked car would be, not in the lane inline with them. I would only be there if the parked cars are present, and I have reason to stay out of the door zone.
I never said it was unsafe. I said it's needless compromise in safety, which makes it impracticable (a behavior that is not reasonable to put in practice).
And you "know" this because???
Whether we consider it right or wrong, the purpose of the statute is to keep cyclists to the right of faster vehicular traffic. Recognizing that keeping cyclists as far right as possible would subject cyclists to unsafe conditions, the legislatures have instead required cyclists to ride as far right as is safe.
And you "know" this because???
03-26-08, 02:24 PM
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With parked cars not being present, I'm talking about riding in the door zone, beside faster vehicular traffic where I'm not interfering with their travel any more than the presence of a parked car would be, not in the lane inline with them. I would only be there if the parked cars are present, and I have reason to stay out of the door zone.
03-26-08, 07:12 PM
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By the way, if motorists are honking and yelling and buzzing me, it's a pretty safe bet it's not because they haven't seen me.
You've seen my videos - show me where I compromise conspicuousness, vantage, predictability, and buffer/escape space.
03-26-08, 07:22 PM
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Another false dichotomy. Safety is measured on a continuum only the extremes of which can be characterized as "safe" or "not safe", and neither of which arguably applies in traffic.
04-01-08, 09:16 AM
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In addition to what "practicable" means, you also have to think about what "roadway" means. The roadway is only the traveled part of the road -- the travel lanes. So it's a red herring when the law says "curb or edge of roadway" -- the word "curb" only serves to confuse the purpose of the law. The curb can be the edge of the roadway, or there can be space between the edge of the roadway and the curb -- a parking lane for example. So having the word "curb" in the law adds nothing to the meaning of the law -- it will never happen that the curb is to the left of the edge of the roadway.
Is a parking lane that is not being used for parking part of the roadway? Is it legal to drive there? I think you'd have to check your local statutes. If it is not legal to drive in a parking lane, it is not part of the roadway, and you cannot be required to ride there.
Is a parking lane that is not being used for parking part of the roadway? Is it legal to drive there? I think you'd have to check your local statutes. If it is not legal to drive in a parking lane, it is not part of the roadway, and you cannot be required to ride there.
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04-01-08, 05:55 PM
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11 Regulation applies to vehicles and road users on roads and
road-related areas
(1) This regulation applies to vehicles and road users on roads and
road-related areas.
(2) A reference in this regulation (except in this division) to a “road”
includes a reference to a “road related area”, unless otherwise expressly
stated in this regulation.
road-related areas
(1) This regulation applies to vehicles and road users on roads and
road-related areas.
(2) A reference in this regulation (except in this division) to a “road”
includes a reference to a “road related area”, unless otherwise expressly
stated in this regulation.
13 What is a road related area
A “road-related area” is any of the following—
(a) an area that divides a road;
(b) a footpath or nature strip adjacent to a road;
(c) an area that is not a road and that is open to the public and
designated for use by cyclists or animals;
(d) an area that is not a road and that is open to, or used by, the
public for parking vehicles;
(2) However, unless the contrary intention appears, a reference in this
regulation (except this division) to a “road-related area” includes a
reference to—
(a) any shoulder of a road; or
(b) any other area that is a footpath or nature strip as defined in the
dictionary.
A “road-related area” is any of the following—
(a) an area that divides a road;
(b) a footpath or nature strip adjacent to a road;
(c) an area that is not a road and that is open to the public and
designated for use by cyclists or animals;
(d) an area that is not a road and that is open to, or used by, the
public for parking vehicles;
(2) However, unless the contrary intention appears, a reference in this
regulation (except this division) to a “road-related area” includes a
reference to—
(a) any shoulder of a road; or
(b) any other area that is a footpath or nature strip as defined in the
dictionary.
04-01-08, 07:10 PM
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My local rules say:
"Roadway" is defined as "that portion of a highway ordinarily used for vehicular travel, excluding the sidewalk or shoulder."
Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this subsection and in subsection 2202.9 of this title, any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall travel as closely as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, or as closely as practicable to the left-hand curb or edge of the roadway when on a one-way street.
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