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I survived two tours in Iraq, out in Fallujah, Najaf, and Ramadi, on patrols and such. I have pretty good situational awareness, of all kinds of things. I wouldn't have gone out on patrol with an iPod in my ears, and I won't ride a bike with them either.
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The day riding to class here approaches anything like a patrol in Fallujah, riding with earphones will be the least of my problems.
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Yes, because bicycling is EXACTLY like desert combat.
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Of course it's not EXACTLY alike, and no where did I say so. If you read it that way, you are being deliberately obtuse.
However, there are similarities. You are moving around, in an area where various people are trying to kill you (whether deliberately, or due to ignorance/unawareness), and situational awareness is important.
If you want to reduce your SA by wearing earbuds, go ahead. But don't argue that they have no ill effect on your SA.
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If you want to reduce your SA by wearing earbuds, go ahead. But don't argue that they have no ill effect on your SA.
If I'm not making decisions based on the unintelligible chaos of engine noise in my ears, is it especially important that I'm able to hear it?
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As defined by Endsley Situation awareness is the perception of environmental elements within a volume of time and space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the projection of their status in the near future.
For a cyclist it could unfold like this:
I am riding in the city. (perception of environmental elements)
During rush hour. (within a volume of time and space)
The city during rush hour (comprehension of their meaning,)
Maneuvering in traffic during rush hour (the projection of their status in the near future)
Means I need to use what I know and have learned from riding during rush hour and use this to not only anticipate what may happen during rush hour but also anticipate what others may do as the situation unfolds.
For a cyclist it could unfold like this:
I am riding in the city. (perception of environmental elements)
During rush hour. (within a volume of time and space)
The city during rush hour (comprehension of their meaning,)
Maneuvering in traffic during rush hour (the projection of their status in the near future)
Means I need to use what I know and have learned from riding during rush hour and use this to not only anticipate what may happen during rush hour but also anticipate what others may do as the situation unfolds.
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Riding a bike isn't combat...duh.
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Incorrect. Refer to the old 80/20 rule...which applies to cycling...not so much to combat.
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Of course it's not EXACTLY alike, and no where did I say so. If you read it that way, you are being deliberately obtuse.
However, there are similarities. You are moving around, in an area where various people are trying to kill you (whether deliberately, or due to ignorance/unawareness), and situational awareness is important.
If you want to reduce your SA by wearing earbuds, go ahead. But don't argue that they have no ill effect on your SA.
However, there are similarities. You are moving around, in an area where various people are trying to kill you (whether deliberately, or due to ignorance/unawareness), and situational awareness is important.
If you want to reduce your SA by wearing earbuds, go ahead. But don't argue that they have no ill effect on your SA.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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Gimme a break...really. You don't need to be able to hear a pin drop when riding a bike. Me thinks that you, like others who have never even tried it, don't realize that you can still hear what you NEED to hear just fine when riding with music...unless you got it cranked up, or are easily distracted by music.
I'm not going to try to equate motorcycling with bicycling, but I have found what you said to bear true in motorcycling. I wear ear plugs under my helmet. They attenuate the wind noise to the point I feel like it helps me hear other noises.
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I just wanted to prompt discussion SA. It isn't discussed much in the cycling community. And, to bring awareness that good SA can prevent accidents. Here are some stats and with good SA, you can reduce your percentages of becoming a statistic:
Statistics again from Bob Mionske (RBR.com, 2007): There are about 500,000 cycling accidents each year and this is how the numbers sum up: 59% involve no object or other person, 14% involve a fixed object, 11% involve a moving motor vehicle, 9% involve another bicycle, 3% involve an animal, 3% involve a pedestrian, 1% involve a stationary motor vehicle, 1% other. Accidents involving a moving motor vehicle (11%): 45% in an intersection, 25% entering a roadway, 14% riding with flow of traffic, 8% riding against traffic, 9% other.
Take care.
Statistics again from Bob Mionske (RBR.com, 2007): There are about 500,000 cycling accidents each year and this is how the numbers sum up: 59% involve no object or other person, 14% involve a fixed object, 11% involve a moving motor vehicle, 9% involve another bicycle, 3% involve an animal, 3% involve a pedestrian, 1% involve a stationary motor vehicle, 1% other. Accidents involving a moving motor vehicle (11%): 45% in an intersection, 25% entering a roadway, 14% riding with flow of traffic, 8% riding against traffic, 9% other.
Take care.
And drawing any kind of conclusion about cycling safety/risk situations from raw, incomplete data without serious analysis is being Situationally Obtuse.
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I can also safely chew gum and drink beverages while cycling too. Sometimes I might even whistle a happy tune while maintaining sufficient awareness of my "situation."
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Situational Awareness is my rationale. SA helps me recognize the difference in the situations.
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SA means being aware that not all cycling accidents have the same severity effects on the involved cyclists. SA means being aware that one situation of collision with a motor vehicle resulting in catastrophic injuries outweighs 999 situations of skinned knees from falling off a bike on the playground. SA also means being aware that a low number of cycling accidents occurring in a certain situation (such as while cycling in the left lane of high speed highways) does not mean that situation/location is a good location for cycling safety.
And drawing any kind of conclusion about cycling safety/risk situations from raw, incomplete data without serious analysis is being Situationally Obtuse.
And drawing any kind of conclusion about cycling safety/risk situations from raw, incomplete data without serious analysis is being Situationally Obtuse.
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I survived numerous dangerous situations of standing in my bathtub while taking a shower. I wouldn't wear an mp3 player in the shower, but I do wear an mp3 player while cycling.
Situational Awareness is my rationale. SA helps me recognize the difference in the situations.
Situational Awareness is my rationale. SA helps me recognize the difference in the situations.
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The statistics may not be false, but drawing unwarranted conclusions, not supported by the available data, may give a false view of the actual situation. And acting on claims/conclusions about the relative safety of various situations as good SA, when the SA is based on inadequate raw statistics is definitely foolish.
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A combination of an experience base to know what is safe and alertness to aberrations which represent threat.
On an early morning ride down a wide, smooth, almost deserted MUP, an alert rider would notice a human on the grass on one side of the path and a dog on the other. An experienced rider would look carefully for a long lease connecting the two animals.
On an early morning ride down a wide, smooth, almost deserted MUP, an alert rider would notice a human on the grass on one side of the path and a dog on the other. An experienced rider would look carefully for a long lease connecting the two animals.
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Yes, it's a buzzword. But it's true, it does help to keep your mind on what you are doing, on busy roads, or in a city where there's a lot going on around you. Keep looking about at junctions, look where there's a driveway opening onto the road, stuff like that. Or on quiet roads when you are bowling along at 28 mph in a tightly packed chaingang!
About headphones, I rarely use them now because the do reduce the amount I hear, especially in a city with lots of cars whizzing past. In the dark I never use them. Only in the day on boring rides on my own (and there's very few rides I find boring!). But keep it in perspective, people. Cycling is not a wildly dangerous activity, certainly compared to walking, and nobody has told walkers not to wear headphones. Pedestrians get hit by cars too.
About headphones, I rarely use them now because the do reduce the amount I hear, especially in a city with lots of cars whizzing past. In the dark I never use them. Only in the day on boring rides on my own (and there's very few rides I find boring!). But keep it in perspective, people. Cycling is not a wildly dangerous activity, certainly compared to walking, and nobody has told walkers not to wear headphones. Pedestrians get hit by cars too.
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This means taking a car's signals as suggestions and not firm rules. Always be ready for the left signalling car going in the same direction as you to suddenly turn to the right instead.
A couple of guides. Intersections are the most dangerous places, so as you approach an intersection take the lane, no exceptions, leaving a car room will only encourage them to pass you or turn right in front of you at an intersectio, both of which are very dangerous.
Do not let a car get next to you. Get in front of the car or in back of it, but next to the car it can turn or push you off the road.
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