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Unless absoulutely necessary, you won't find me on the shoulder of a freeway! I've seen cyclists riding along Interstate 5 at Camp Pendleton (north of San Diego). The speed limit is 65 mph. However, no car seems to travel that stretch slower than 75 mph unless the popo is in sight. I've always thought it was so dangerous to cycle where there is such a difference between cycling and driving speeds. Just a small piece of gravel from a passing semi would do all sorts of damage.
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Originally Posted by Shimpie
Unless absoulutely necessary, you won't find me on the shoulder of a freeway! I've seen cyclists riding along Interstate 5 at Camp Pendleton (north of San Diego). The speed limit is 65 mph. However, no car seems to travel that stretch slower than 75 mph unless the popo is in sight. I've always thought it was so dangerous to cycle where there is such a difference between cycling and driving speeds. Just a small piece of gravel from a passing semi would do all sorts of damage.
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Admittedly gravel might be a problem, but at least around here in Colorado, the shoulders are generally pretty wide.
One strange advantage is that the rumble strips (which are now universally installed on freeways in this state) will give you some extra protection from errant and wandering mortorists. A rumble strip might have saved the life of the biker in Summit County killed by a 17 yo girl who was looking at the clock when she wandered into the shoulder, hitting and killing the biker.
We have lots of places where a freeway is the only way to get from one town to another - either because of mtn passes or simply a lack of roads between distant towns. If that is the case, bikes are allowed on the freeway. For example, from S of Colorado Springs to Trinidad and beyond. Have seen a number of bikes on the shoulder in this section. Even the Santa Fe Century utilizes about 10 miles of Interstate 25 on the official route. No problems that I have heard of.
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Originally Posted by mrdoright0405
Prohibited in Alabama and Georgia also.
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Originally Posted by Shimpie
Unless absoulutely necessary, you won't find me on the shoulder of a freeway! I've seen cyclists riding along Interstate 5 at Camp Pendleton (north of San Diego). The speed limit is 65 mph. However, no car seems to travel that stretch slower than 75 mph unless the popo is in sight. I've always thought it was so dangerous to cycle where there is such a difference between cycling and driving speeds. Just a small piece of gravel from a passing semi would do all sorts of damage.
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Originally Posted by Moistfly
There are plenty of places (at least in the west/southwest) where you can go hundreds of miles on a freeway and have nothing else but dirt access roads to camp grounds and little 200 people po-dunk towns.
Originally Posted by khuon
Consider the area around Seattle. If you want to travel east of the Cascades, you have to do it through the passes. These passes are only accessable via major highways. The Snoqualmie Pass just east of me is only accessable by way of I-90 although there is a tunnel that can be taken if you're on the old Ironhorse Trail. That trail is however unpaved.
Originally Posted by DnvrFox
We have lots of places where a freeway is the only way to get from one town to another - either because of mtn passes or simply a lack of roads between distant towns. If that is the case, bikes are allowed on the freeway. For example, from S of Colorado Springs to Trinidad and beyond. Have seen a number of bikes on the shoulder in this section. Even the Santa Fe Century utilizes about 10 miles of Interstate 25 on the official route. No problems that I have heard of.
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So before the Interstate system went in, there were no paved roads thru these passes (WA) or between these towns (CO)? Wow, I never thought of the I-system as serving exclusive local city-to-city access (other than as a faster alternative to existing access). I had no idea that settlements so close geograpically were so isolated before the I-system.
The interstates followed the same routes as the previous connector 2 lane paved highways, supplanting the former 2 lane roads. Strange they didn't do the same thing in Wisconsin? Did your road building governor keep both the old road and the new interstate? How wasteful!
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https://transweb.sjsu.edu/publications/BikesAndPeds.htm
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Although Colorado officials replied that they did not have any standards for bicycle use of freeways, they noted that they used American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) standards. Bicycles are allowed on all freeways except in urban areas. Cyclists must use the shoulder. Occasionally, warning signs are used to alert drivers of bicycle use of the freeway, but there is no set standard.
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I had no idea that settlements so close geograpically were so isolated before the I-system
Colorado Springs - Pueblo 42 miles
Pueblo to Walsenburg - 44 miles
Walsenburg to Trinidad - 37 miles
And there are no other roads - paved or not, unless you might like to make a 150 mile detour through Rocky Ford? Or Canon City?
Once you get into New Mexico, towns are generally scores of miles apart.
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
No.
The interstates followed the same routes as the previous connector 2 lane paved highways, supplanting the former 2 lane roads. Strange they didn't do the same thing in Wisconsin? Did your road building governor keep both the old road and the new interstate? How wasteful!
The interstates followed the same routes as the previous connector 2 lane paved highways, supplanting the former 2 lane roads. Strange they didn't do the same thing in Wisconsin? Did your road building governor keep both the old road and the new interstate? How wasteful!
Wow, this whole notion of taking out surface roads for Interstates is a bit mind-blowing to me. Not sure what to make of it, socio-politically. Part of me sees the whole point of not over-paving. But part of me sees it as further expression of "screw those of you who don't want to go everywhere at 65 MPH". Puzzle, puzzle....
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Originally Posted by madpogue
Wow, this whole notion of taking out surface roads for Interstates is a bit mind-blowing to me. Not sure what to make of it, socio-politically. Part of me sees the whole point of not over-paving. But part of me sees it as further expression of "screw those of you who don't want to go everywhere at 65 MPH". Puzzle, puzzle....
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Sometimes I don't think folks realize how spread out and isolated much of the west is.
And, our east-west network of non freeway roads is much better than our north south. Think of Colorado as 3 separate states -
1. The plains east of the rockies - actually about 1/2 of the state geographically. Movement in this area was east to west and roadways generally followed this pattern.
2. That tremendous barrier - the Rocky Mountains. You only build roads where you can put them through passes or tunnels. That is is. We have just two routes west from Denver - I-70 and US 285. US 6 is so dangerous and busy that bicycles are prohibited (rightfully so) - it is congested with usually over-drinking folks returning from the casinos in the Central City Area. MAny terrible accidents on this route. US 40 doesn't even start until you get past Idaho Springs in the mtns. There are also some roads connecting valleys and towns in the mtns, but to get there you must use one of the two routes. This causes tremendous congestion on weekends and holidays. These roads are tremendously expensive to build and maintain.
3. The Western slope, which does have a few north-south non-freeway corridors. Utah, to the west, is a vaasstt area of desert and openness. Over 100 miles between some towns, as is the case in parts of New Mexico.
So, the geography is quite different than Wisconsin, and therefore, the road system is different.
And, our east-west network of non freeway roads is much better than our north south. Think of Colorado as 3 separate states -
1. The plains east of the rockies - actually about 1/2 of the state geographically. Movement in this area was east to west and roadways generally followed this pattern.
2. That tremendous barrier - the Rocky Mountains. You only build roads where you can put them through passes or tunnels. That is is. We have just two routes west from Denver - I-70 and US 285. US 6 is so dangerous and busy that bicycles are prohibited (rightfully so) - it is congested with usually over-drinking folks returning from the casinos in the Central City Area. MAny terrible accidents on this route. US 40 doesn't even start until you get past Idaho Springs in the mtns. There are also some roads connecting valleys and towns in the mtns, but to get there you must use one of the two routes. This causes tremendous congestion on weekends and holidays. These roads are tremendously expensive to build and maintain.
3. The Western slope, which does have a few north-south non-freeway corridors. Utah, to the west, is a vaasstt area of desert and openness. Over 100 miles between some towns, as is the case in parts of New Mexico.
So, the geography is quite different than Wisconsin, and therefore, the road system is different.
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Yes like Smurfy said, riding on the interstate system is allowed in Montana. I find riding on the interstate much more enjoyable than riding on the 2-lane roads with less than a 2-ft shoulder with cars going by at upto 70 mph. About 80% of the semis will pull into the other lane on the interstate, if they are not blocked by other traffic, when passing cyclists. I also periodically get flats from the wire from radial tires and am concerned about rocks, etc., but overall the experience with the wide shoulders and rumble strips on the interstate is much better than on the 2-lane roads. I commute on 2-lane roads and prefer to avoid peak traffic times even in this small town with pop. 9,000.
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Originally Posted by Hunter
It is prohibited in Va. and Tx. In Tx. I have been told by DPS that you cannot even ride on the access road since it is "part of the interstate."
In fact, I know of two charity rides that use the frontage road of I-30 for their routes and the Adventure Cycling Southern Tier cross country route uses interstate highways (not frontage roads) in West Texas. At least, that's the impression I get from reading journals of those who have done it.
I have also ridden countless times on the I-30 frontage road East of Dallas and have never been stopped by any of the frequent DPS, county, or city police that patrol that road.