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mechBgon 07-26-11 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Bekologist (Post 12989823)
"if it snows and covers the road stripes, do right hand turn lanes exist?"

I looked in the garage, but failed to find any sympathy for a rider that wants to complain about the weather under the guise of a safety witticism.

the snow blocks the bikeways sometimes and the snow on the road covers the road stripes and erodes lane striping? you don't say. amazing. those stripes get worn down coz you live someplace with freezing weather? Get on the city to FIX IT.

I've tried, in fact I have the email address of the maintenance chief. Some stuff they can do, some they can't or won't. For example, I requested a sweep of the bike lane on Southeast Blvd because it was a minefield of big Ponderosa pinecones. Sorry bro, our sweepers can't handle stuff that large, it'll have to wait until Fall.

My take on the situation is that the city is including token bicycle facilities in order to score Federal funding for road projects, but doesn't view them as an important traffic facility that needs to be available 24/7/365. IMO, I shouldn't have to tell them to ___________ (plow, defoliate, de-invisible, remove loose gravel & rocks from, remove parked cars from, etc) a traffic lane. I pay the taxes for them to do this job, and would like it done without having to personally hold their hand.

genec 07-26-11 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 12988929)
Most drivers and even some LEO's get it. It is far easier to remember and complain about the dim bulbs though.

Well the dim bulbs are the ones making life difficult for us. There's a thread here on A&S talking about Police encounters... if you go there you'll see that I have only personally had good encounters.

Most drivers I honestly doubt really know anything about cyclists rights... they are merely avoiding us... just as they would also avoid a dog in the road.

AngeloDolce 07-26-11 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by joejack951 (Post 12987947)
Hi Angelo,

I take it that you aren't the cyclist who chased me down and called me a ******** idiot for riding in the straight thru lane?

...

FWIW, between my neighborhood and 202, there are over 20 right turn only/slip lanes in 3 miles.

Correct, I haven't chased you down and didn't call you a *****

I'm the ##### who was pulled over on 202 by the County police and told I wasn't allowed to ride on roads with multiple lanes (initially numbered roads), because 3 cars only had 4 (northbound) lanes to pass me. The officer was so emotional I didn't want to prolong the conversation, and I couldn't identify him in the dark; he eventually let me go, but did seem to think motorists would not be at fault if they actively decided to run me down instead of changing to any of 4 open lanes to pass.


I suspect you and I agree that "vehicular cyclists" know full well that not all motorists or LEOs (or judges) follow the law. If they did, we wouldn't need police or judges. However, the facilities installed here seem to be built to be safe only if you bicycle at walking speed, and it's far from clear to me how restricting bicyclists to these poorly designed facilities can actually help them.

However, at public meetings the planners seem firmly convinced bicyclists are only allowed to ride in bike lanes, and are reluctant to imply permission for bicyclists to leave them. Look at the striping and signs at Marsh and Silverside. Requests to avoid striping the bike lane across the right turn arrow and the gas station entrances were recognized as complying with AASHTO, but still not reflected in the final installation. (sharrows have been were rejected out of hand for Marsh Road and Philadelphia Pike)



Angelo

cranky velocist 07-27-11 06:29 AM

Where ever your bike is, is the bike lane. With the exception of a few highways of course. Sometimes that line of paint makes you safer, sometimes it doesn't - your welcome to use it, but your also welcome to take a different road instead.

Sure, once in awhile a small percentage of us have to explain this fact to a police officer or judge, but then again we're more or less invulnerable to speed traps so it kinda-sorta evens out.

Bekologist 07-27-11 06:31 AM

all this contrived suffragism about bicycling, from riders convinced auto-centric roads are the most sensible way to design streets.

quite contradictory. angelo might be in the camp that supports well designed facilities, but its hard to tell.

if the weather wears off the road stripes, do the road stripes still exist? hmm. let's leave that to the dinosaurs, meh.

and the colorful commentary! Peoples complaints about being pulled over by police on autocentric roads, such priceless and timeless commentary here at bike forums!


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