From time's up NYC:Fellow Cyclist Killed in Midtown (victim of an apparent dooring)
11-22-04, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by coney
Sad. I'm so sad and friggin angry.
Wear a helmet. If you don't, you're an idiot. If you think you look cool riding without a helmet, think of it this way, Brain damage isn't cool. Being dead from stupidity is even less cool.---I'm not at all saying that it was the biker's fault for not wearing one, it was the truck driver's fault, for sure. But he may be alive if he had a helmet on. Poor dude.
To all motorists in NYC, and heavily trafficked areas--
OPEN YOUR DOORS CURB SIDE!!!! CURB SIDE, I TELL YOU!!!
If you open your door into traffic and hit or kill a bicyclist, you go to jail. No questions asked. Involuntary manslaughter, or attempted manslaughter. Criminal.
Educating the public is the only way to keep us safe. Motorists are NEVER told to look for bikes. EVER. You are taught to look for other cars.
Here's what I want. I know this will happen when pigs fly, but here it is anyway:
5th ave. turned into a pedestrian/bike greenway. No cars allowed. Cars can cross over every 5 blocks, and must wait for the green light on their side, which is a long wait...ha ha.
Wear a helmet. If you don't, you're an idiot. If you think you look cool riding without a helmet, think of it this way, Brain damage isn't cool. Being dead from stupidity is even less cool.---I'm not at all saying that it was the biker's fault for not wearing one, it was the truck driver's fault, for sure. But he may be alive if he had a helmet on. Poor dude.
To all motorists in NYC, and heavily trafficked areas--
OPEN YOUR DOORS CURB SIDE!!!! CURB SIDE, I TELL YOU!!!
If you open your door into traffic and hit or kill a bicyclist, you go to jail. No questions asked. Involuntary manslaughter, or attempted manslaughter. Criminal.
Educating the public is the only way to keep us safe. Motorists are NEVER told to look for bikes. EVER. You are taught to look for other cars.
Here's what I want. I know this will happen when pigs fly, but here it is anyway:
5th ave. turned into a pedestrian/bike greenway. No cars allowed. Cars can cross over every 5 blocks, and must wait for the green light on their side, which is a long wait...ha ha.
The thing is the delivery truck did open the curb side door. However, since he was double parked, the curbside door was still in the street. Legally the delivery truck driver is probably not in the wrong for the dooring (and I honestly don't think he should be), but the double parking was definitely wrong, and certainly contributed to the cyclers death.
And yes, please wear a helmet. Sure they chances of an accident with a head injury may be low, but it does happen.
11-22-04, 03:33 PM
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[QUOTE=alanbikehouston]To survive, we must study the enemy and deal with the enemy. QUOTE]
Enemy? How can we ever expect to "Share the Road" if we are actually enemies?
Carelessness is certainly a concern. Often, as we see a possible example of here, carelessness can result in a fatality. However, to suggest that we are enemies, implies that there was some intent on the part of the truck driver to do that cyclist or any cyclist harm.
With some frequency in this country, small children drown in family swimming pools; often because of someone's carelessness. Seldom do I see stories which characterize the caregiver as the emeny of the child.
Often there are legal and financial consequences when someone is carelessly harmed and rightly so. Thankfully, I have avoided tragedy in several close calls, both when I was being careless as well as when others were. As far as I know though, non of the occupants of the hundreds of vehicles I encounter on my rides are my enemies. I know I am not their enemy.
Enemy? How can we ever expect to "Share the Road" if we are actually enemies?
Carelessness is certainly a concern. Often, as we see a possible example of here, carelessness can result in a fatality. However, to suggest that we are enemies, implies that there was some intent on the part of the truck driver to do that cyclist or any cyclist harm.
With some frequency in this country, small children drown in family swimming pools; often because of someone's carelessness. Seldom do I see stories which characterize the caregiver as the emeny of the child.
Often there are legal and financial consequences when someone is carelessly harmed and rightly so. Thankfully, I have avoided tragedy in several close calls, both when I was being careless as well as when others were. As far as I know though, non of the occupants of the hundreds of vehicles I encounter on my rides are my enemies. I know I am not their enemy.
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11-24-04, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by suntreader
That being said, a year in prison is a LONG time for a person who is not "prison ready." Child killers are not treated very well, if you know what I mean.
11-24-04, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NYCommuter
According to what the newspapers say, this guy was delivering coffee and pastries. There are tons of folks doing this in the city, for local restaurants or delis. They ride beat up MTB, in a 2 mile radius from their shop and usually go like 5mph. They are not messenger, their job duties include cooking, cleaning, and sometimes also delivering stuff to the customers.
I don't get how someone can just die from a falll while carrying coffee on a bike... I don't get it.
This one hit close. These folks deliver to my work, my home, we ride side by side in the city, they deliver in the rain, snow or 100F weather... 24 hours a day. They are not speed junkies riding vicariously through the city.
This is so sad.
The memorial ride is in 20mins. Am going.
I don't get how someone can just die from a falll while carrying coffee on a bike... I don't get it.
This one hit close. These folks deliver to my work, my home, we ride side by side in the city, they deliver in the rain, snow or 100F weather... 24 hours a day. They are not speed junkies riding vicariously through the city.
This is so sad.
The memorial ride is in 20mins. Am going.
11-27-04, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
The thing is the delivery truck did open the curb side door. However, since he was double parked, the curbside door was still in the street. Legally the delivery truck driver is probably not in the wrong for the dooring (and I honestly don't think he should be), but the double parking was definitely wrong, and certainly contributed to the cyclers death.
And yes, please wear a helmet. Sure they chances of an accident with a head injury may be low, but it does happen.
And yes, please wear a helmet. Sure they chances of an accident with a head injury may be low, but it does happen.
