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Old 11-22-04, 08:00 AM
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from what I understand Dan, that is what CM is *supposed* to be.... Just a ride. There are a certain percentage of CMers with the attitude

cars suck!
cops suck!
punk rock!
bikes rule!

And I think it probably sucks for the people that just want to ride, not advocate.
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Old 11-22-04, 02:01 PM
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Yeah, maybe the Detroit CM is a bit more mild. Any repressive regime, would tell you that a group of 10 or more independent people is a threat to the establishment. If our CM was like that, I might join in, on those rare eves, when I'm not working, and free of childcare duties. OK, never.
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Old 11-22-04, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DanFromDetroit
The CM here in Detroit is pretty weak. It's just a handful of folks that take a quick spin around downtown and hit a bar afterwards. I haven't participated in one of these, mostly because it is inconvienient for me to get downtown at 430pm.
28 riders last time
The next two will probably be small due to their dates (Day after Thanksgiving, and end of December, people will be out of town and stuff) But there is talk of having some Saturday mid-day rides. Check out the CMD website (www.criticalmassdetroit.org) and join the mailing list (It's pretty low traffic, but you'll hear about events).

And it's 5:30 PM if that makes it any easier.
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Old 11-22-04, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by John E
Federal gasoline taxes pay for the Interstate highway system, but most of the funds for local roads and automotive infrastructure come from sales tax and other general revenue. Motorists come nowhere near covering either the societal, the environmental, or even the purely economic costs of driving. Yes, cycling on a public road is a subsidized activity, but driving a car on a public road is an even more heavily subsidized activity.
John E, just for the record since you seem very well versed on this stuff, is there ANY means of transportation that isn't subsidized by state, federal, or local general taxes? My city (Vancouver, WA) just voted down an absolutely trivial sales tax increase that was going to sustain the very frugally run C-Tran bus system. Lots of us welfare bums who drive cars voted for it, too many more against. How can we get the point across that, when transportation is concerned, there is no "free market?"
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Old 11-23-04, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gorn
28 riders last time
The next two will probably be small due to their dates (Day after Thanksgiving, and end of December, people will be out of town and stuff) But there is talk of having some Saturday mid-day rides. Check out the CMD website (www.criticalmassdetroit.org) and join the mailing list (It's pretty low traffic, but you'll hear about events).

And it's 5:30 PM if that makes it any easier.
The WWW site is *much* improved since the last time I visited. I hope to be attending one of these soon.


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Old 11-23-04, 03:05 PM
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CM rocks. i've met dozens of people who started riding bikes because of it. i even know a few people who have stopped driving to work because they got caught up in a CM and reallized they were dumb-asses.
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