Raging cyclist hoisted on own petard
09-16-11, 06:09 AM
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I have never been "militant" about sharing the road and would never have given the UPS truck a second thought, and I really strain to see why any rider would let something so insignifcant take up any headspace and ruin an otherwise nice ride. If some @hole ran him into a parked car or turned in front of him at an intersection I would understand the attitude, but getting upset over a parked truck that could have been passed without further regard?
Me thinks that the rider was being stressed out but other "forces of life" and used the truck as an excuse to vent.....
Me thinks that the rider was being stressed out but other "forces of life" and used the truck as an excuse to vent.....
09-16-11, 06:11 AM
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09-16-11, 09:14 AM
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In Oregon we have laws banning stopping, standing or parking momentarily in bike lanes, but then we also have the exceptions:
Emphasis is mine.
811.560ą
Exemptions from prohibitions on stopping, standing or parking
This section provides exemptions from ORS 811.550 (Places where stopping, standing and parking prohibited) and 811.555 (Illegal stopping, standing or parking). The following exemptions are applicable as provided under ORS 811.550 (Places where stopping, standing and parking prohibited):
(1) When applicable, this subsection exempts school buses or worker transport buses stopped on a roadway to load or unload workers or children, providing that the flashing school bus safety lights on the bus are operating.
(2) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles stopped, standing or parked momentarily to pick up or discharge a passenger.
(3) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles stopped, standing or parked momentarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading property or passengers.
(4) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles owned or operated by the state, a county or city when stopping, standing or parking is necessary to perform maintenance or repair work on the roadway.
(5) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles from the prohibitions and penalties when the driver’s disregard of the prohibitions is necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic.
(6) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles acting in compliance with law or at the direction of a police officer or a traffic control device.
(7) When applicable, this subsection exempts the driver of a vehicle that is disabled in such manner and to such extent that the driver cannot avoid stopping or temporarily leaving the disabled vehicle in a prohibited position.
(8) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles owned or operated by the State Department of Fish and Wildlife when stopping, standing or parking is necessary to enable employees to release fish.
(9) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles momentarily stopped to allow oncoming traffic to pass before making a right-hand or left-hand turn or momentarily stopped in preparation for or while negotiating an exit from the road. [1983 c.338 §670; 1985 c.334 §2; 1989 c.433 §3]
Exemptions from prohibitions on stopping, standing or parking
This section provides exemptions from ORS 811.550 (Places where stopping, standing and parking prohibited) and 811.555 (Illegal stopping, standing or parking). The following exemptions are applicable as provided under ORS 811.550 (Places where stopping, standing and parking prohibited):
(1) When applicable, this subsection exempts school buses or worker transport buses stopped on a roadway to load or unload workers or children, providing that the flashing school bus safety lights on the bus are operating.
(2) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles stopped, standing or parked momentarily to pick up or discharge a passenger.
(3) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles stopped, standing or parked momentarily for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading property or passengers.
(4) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles owned or operated by the state, a county or city when stopping, standing or parking is necessary to perform maintenance or repair work on the roadway.
(5) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles from the prohibitions and penalties when the driver’s disregard of the prohibitions is necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic.
(6) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles acting in compliance with law or at the direction of a police officer or a traffic control device.
(7) When applicable, this subsection exempts the driver of a vehicle that is disabled in such manner and to such extent that the driver cannot avoid stopping or temporarily leaving the disabled vehicle in a prohibited position.
(8) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles owned or operated by the State Department of Fish and Wildlife when stopping, standing or parking is necessary to enable employees to release fish.
(9) When applicable, this subsection exempts vehicles momentarily stopped to allow oncoming traffic to pass before making a right-hand or left-hand turn or momentarily stopped in preparation for or while negotiating an exit from the road. [1983 c.338 §670; 1985 c.334 §2; 1989 c.433 §3]
09-16-11, 09:29 AM
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09-16-11, 09:47 AM
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It all just goes to show that marking turf for specific user groups can encourage unfortunate territorial behavior, rather than just letting people use the space they need on a first come, first served basis.
09-16-11, 11:25 PM
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I do quite a bit of shipping. I rarely use UPS in part because they put their drivers under so much time pressure that I often see them driving recklessly. That said, it's not like one couldn't see the big brown truck parked from quite a distance and dealt with it. I don't worry too much about the stationary objects; there are too many moving ones that require my attention.
09-17-11, 01:22 AM
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In reality, I like motorist parked in bike lanes. It is the ideal justification for not riding in the bike lane.
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09-17-11, 04:31 AM
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Technically speaking, parking in a bike lane is not illegal in California. However, in my experience, if there is a bike lane, and it is not to the left of a parking lane, then there are nearly always "No Parking" or "No Parking - Bike Lane" signs present as well, which does mean that they can't park there except in an emergency.
I am not aware of any law that exempts delivery trucks from parking rules.
I am not aware of any law that exempts delivery trucks from parking rules.
09-17-11, 07:35 AM
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According to the CA DMV handbook: "You may park in a bicycle lane if your vehicle does not block a bicyclist and/or there is not a "No Parking" sign posted."
I suppose the truck driver could argue that there were no cyclists around when he parked. Otherwise it seems like he is in the wrong.
I suppose the truck driver could argue that there were no cyclists around when he parked. Otherwise it seems like he is in the wrong.
If authorities don't want a travel lane blocked, then how come a bike lane doesn't get the same respect.
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09-17-11, 08:45 AM
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09-17-11, 12:24 PM
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I live in Long Beach and yes, here it is legal for delivery vehicles, city vehicles, police vehicles and emergency (fire and ambulance) vehicles to temporarily park in the bike lane. It is also legal to go around the vehicles in the road, which is what this cyclist should have done without raising a fuss. Big waste of the policeman's time.
09-17-11, 01:04 PM
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While I don't agree with Bek's overall characterization ("indignant gladiator syndrome" is about as silly as "cyclist inferiority syndrome" from Forester), he did nail this. Some Monk-ish clown looking for a soapbox to stand on.
09-17-11, 03:18 PM
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the difference between those two concepts, DX-MAN, is the root of the complex.
one is contrived and denigrates a basic human nature to be adverse to hazards, the other - indignant gladiator syndrome - aptly describes an actual, exhibited behavior.
a characterization you admit 'nails it'.
one is contrived and denigrates a basic human nature to be adverse to hazards, the other - indignant gladiator syndrome - aptly describes an actual, exhibited behavior.
a characterization you admit 'nails it'.
09-17-11, 03:22 PM
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"No cyclists around" doesn't work as an excuse because the cyclist would be blocked even if the driver wasn't aware of it (that is, the law is violated whether or not the driver is aware of it).
The "not blocking" means that it's feasible (and safe) for a bicyclist to pass the parked vehicle.
The "not blocking" means that it's feasible (and safe) for a bicyclist to pass the parked vehicle.
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09-17-11, 03:27 PM
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the difference between those two concepts, DX-MAN, is the root of the complex.
one is contrived and denigrates a basic human nature to be adverse to hazards, the other - indignant gladiator syndrome - aptly describes an actual, exhibited behavior.
a characterization you admit 'nails it'.
one is contrived and denigrates a basic human nature to be adverse to hazards, the other - indignant gladiator syndrome - aptly describes an actual, exhibited behavior.
a characterization you admit 'nails it'.
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09-17-11, 04:22 PM
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interesting.
for the OP case, a rider convinced of misperceived traffic grievances, its tilting at windmills (UPS trucks).
a quite quixotic quandary.
for the OP case, a rider convinced of misperceived traffic grievances, its tilting at windmills (UPS trucks).
a quite quixotic quandary.
09-19-11, 06:07 AM
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I think this is more part of the greater "us vs them" attitude some seem to take with them on the road. Pretend everyone is trying to kill you, etc. I don't think it's terribly healthy.
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