I know this may be enabling you a bit here, but I haven't done this for a while, so here goes.

He was knocked unconscious from his fall, had bleeding on the brain, and died thereafter.

Call me thick, but he's dead. I fail to see where the "good news" in his wearing a helmet is. Perhaps you could help here?

Because before he died, before the Drs. realized he was bleeding on the brain, it looked as if a helmet might have saved him from some kind of worse injury. Like, dead at the scene. His publicist, working with the best info at the time, probably parroted a well-meaning, but wrong Dr. saying that he was lucky to have been wearing a helmet.

You're not incorrect in that it was not particularly good news he was wearing a helmet. He still died, after all. But this was a temporal thing, and at the time, the publicist was working with best available info. Maybe if he wasn't wearing a helmet, there would have been more evident severe head injury, and perhaps treatment would have differed to the point that he wouldn't have died. But none of this is the point.

So, is the publicist a rider? Does she wear a helmet on a regular basis, i.e. is she a helmeteer, as you claimed? Should she have known he was going to die when she made the statement that you dump on so hard, that wearing a helmet was good news? Were you having temporary reading comprehension issues when you posted that, or were you intentionally misrepresenting what she said and when she said it?

You'd jump over a pro-helmeteer in a heartbeat for being as loose with a citation as you're being here...

so in other words, they thought, "it could have been worse", but they didn't know, and assumed, the helmet "must have" helped, even if it didn't.

Still, I fail to see the "good news" when Helmeteers pontificate without really knowing what the helmet did or did not do

Well, I don't know anything about "the other thread". Somewhere, someone is claiming that the moon landing was faked. Which means absolutely nothing.

Meanwhile, you're basing your opinions on guesswork while railing against the non-existing "anti-helmet zealots". It is indeed possible that your helmet saved your life. It's also possible that it did nothing more than prevent relatively superficial injury. It would be no different, really, if you'd fallen while wearing knee pads and then claimed that because your kneepads were scratched up, they prevented your legs from being torn off: it's technically possible, but not really all that likely, and your rather angry and wild-eyed reporting on the incident doesn't inspire too much confidence in your conclusions.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ead-protection

First reply. One of the most unprovoked and dickish statements I have ever seen on bikeforums. Said helmets are useless and that I was hit because I'm not good enough at cycling. I have every right to be angry when people continuously make incorrect statements asserting with no valid authority that helmets are completely useless. God only knows how many people these zealots end up killing by convincing them that helmets are useless, who then end up hitting their unprotected heads.

I think you'll find most zealots end up preaching to the choir anyway, so don't lose much sleep over the blood of the corrupted innocence. you never know what a lack of a helmet would have meant to any situation. I would think if a helmet truly "saved your life" you wouldn't be upright and chatting about so soon afterwards. I'm sure the helmet saved you from blood and gore due to the amount of damage you say it took, and that's good enough reason to wear one right there, it might have even saved your bike riding lifestyle, but people are tougher than the helmet crowd would ever imagine. I doubt you would have stopped kicking sans helmet.

TWO paramedics! That's twice as good as one!

Hear hear.

Good anecdote.

I fell wearing a helmet in the shower today. I was riding my recumbent at 45 mph. It saved my life. A real doctor told me that it had saved my life. Do what you like. I'm wearing my helmet every time there's a car in the shower. DO NOT TELL ME OTHERWISE.

You're a really unpleasant person.

Bingo.

Another accident a helmet wouldn't have helped in...

My dad ate it the other day... went over a small puddle that must've had algae in it or something, because he went down even though he hit it straight on without turning. He's pretty much OK... think he may have cracked - but didn't actually break - his nose, and he looks like he went a round with Mike Tyson, but no other serious damage. No doubt a helmet would've been all scuffed up though. Then, no doubt, everyone would be saying "Gosh, look at the damage to the helmet, it saved your life!". :p

Razr's post is a great example of the anti helmet cult jumping on anyone that states that they feel a helmet helped to prevent injury. Great example of a troll!!!!!

yes, bingo would be a good place to wear a helmet, those vicious pickle pullers, and little ol' ladies whipping daubers every which way. they're dangerous.

Dat ain't nuthin'.

I've never suffered so much as a scratch in many years of cycling while carrying my lucky rabbit's foot.

I don't need nobody bothering me with no hoodoo nonsense that casts doubt on the power of faith in my lucky charm.

And thatz a fact Jack!

Sounds like his nose saved his life.

Nice troll indeed. Razr is king troll on the pro-choice side, you are king troll on all-helmet-all-the-time side.

It seems whenever someone disagrees with someone else, in this case you, we're, or in this case I, am an unpleasant person...well I have two large words for you "GROW UP"!! Was that unpleasant enough for you?

And I really like your BS story about your dad, and such timely event for this post. Damn it, there I go being unpleasant again. I know, instead of calling your dad's story BS I'll make up my own and say at the end, the docs all told me the helmet saved my life...but you see I don't have to make up stories like that to make a point like you have to, because those true life stories are plentiful all over the cycling world in both recreational and racing.

Now I'm not only unpleasant but a troll as well. Just thought I would beat you to calling me a name and do it myself.

If I saw one of those in the dark I would swear I saw an alien.

My wife is on a "no shoes in the house" kick and I'm fighting her all the way. I'm using the new end table in the walkway that I stubbed my toe on as my rally cry. I'm not shucking those bad boys to go get a glass of ice either. She thinks the interior enviroment suffers from my hard-headed neglect of our shared living space. I know better, she's just trying to get out of running the dang swifter around. Next thing she'll ban is me wearing my Giro in the house...

Fify

I know how you feel, I had to have my fify fixed too...

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...TES/poodle.jpg

How DARE you doubt MY WORD that a helmet saved my life?

This is the sort of arrogant, inconsiderate skepticism always shown by you people that want to force me not to wear a helmet. You are NOT GOING to STOP me WEARING my helment.

I have a right to believe stupid things and state them repeatedly as FACT. It's guaranteed under the bill of rights. Don't you dare insult ME by questioning MY experience Sir!!

British study concludes "that cycle helmets may not be especially
effective in reducing head injuries."


http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/201...cs-2011-100085

I keep waiting for the helmeteers to come up with some untainted evidence. They seem unable to do so, relying on faith-based salvation qualities of helmets.

Let's see how many time we can post this false information and get people to believe it. I remember someone saying the earth was flat, and the more it was taught the more it was accepted as fact. Not all surveys are right just as all scientific conclusions are not right.

False?? Really? This is in a peer-reviewed medical journal, published by the British Medical Association. It is an evaluation of the literature on the subject by experts in the field. The lead researcher, Dr. Carwyn Hooper, is a final year PhD student at the Centre for Medical Law and Ethics at the School of Law. He is a medical doctor and has completed a diploma, an undergraduate degree, and a master’s degree in Philosophy. He is currently working as a Lecturer in Medial Ethics and Law at St George’s, University of London. John Spicer is the Head of General Practice at the London Deanery's specialty school,and was previously a Patch Associate Director for South East London and a Senior Lecturer in Law and Ethics at St George’s.

But, yeah, I suppose you are right. "Herp, Derp, my helmet broke and SAVED MY LIFE!!!" is certainly a much more logical, reliable, and well-founded argument.

So if someone on this forum dies or becomes brain damaged from not wearing helmet due to your advice, and it can be proven the person would have lived or been normal if he was wearing a helmet your willing to pay for the liability associated with this nonsense advice that your giving out?

That's what I thought.