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mconlonx 09-10-12 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by DScience (Post 14699966)
Oh no guys, I better return my helmet. I though that it did more than just protect my skull, I thought that once a car was about to hit me the helmet grew wings and lifted me away, saving my life in any circumstance. :thumb:

I think this is so funny. People here are obviously scientific researchers studying the infinite ways a bike helmet can interact during an accident. "Make sure you know exactly what the helmet is for before you go buy one!" :crash:

Seriously, I don't think the helmet is an end all. What i'm saying is that Davis is the bike capital of the US and few people ride with one. I just wanted to thank the forum for encouraging me to get one. It's not just cars I am worried about. The people here can be crazier on bikes than vehicles, and a nice crash into a unsuspecting freshman could easily result in my head coming int contact with a hard surface. No one needs to convince me that having a helmet on is a good choice in ANY SORT OF HEAD TRAUMA! No, it's not going to protect you from everything! But it's just ignorant to say that a helmet is good for only some minor scratches. :roflmao2:

Well, goodness...

...you don't hang out here much, do you...?

mconlonx 09-10-12 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 14711505)
Kinda funny---------------------------here on the anti helmet thread Bell and othe helmet manuf are advertising. That means that the anti helmet cult have a place to vent provided by the very manuf they seem to hate for what really remains an unexplained reason.

If you paid for your membership, you wouldn't see them...

jim hughes 09-10-12 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 14708715)
Helmets may not save lives, but I can tell you what they will do- keep you out of the ER getting lacerations and abrasions cleaned up.

Yes they will. So will knee and elbow pads. Wear those too if you want, and I don't think it would be dumb at all. However, very few people would take those additional steps.

t's all a matter of how one feels about various sorts of risk.

telkanuru 09-10-12 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 14712383)
If you paid for your membership, you wouldn't see them...

If you have Ad-Block Plus, you wouldn't see them...

:p

surgeonstone 09-10-12 05:07 PM

The adds follow your interests and differ according to the viewer. I have no bell ads

rydabent 09-10-12 07:32 PM

I dont mind the ads at all. Remember they keep these forums going.

rekmeyata 09-10-12 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 14714534)
I dont mind the ads at all. Remember they keep these forums going.

You see ads? I never see any on this forum. But I do see dead people!

mconlonx 09-11-12 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by rekmeyata (Post 14714895)
But I do see dead people!

Aka: the formerly helmetless.

rekmeyata 09-11-12 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 14716960)
aka: The formerly helmetless.

lol

Ninety5rpm 09-14-12 03:27 PM

Interesting poll results.

38% have always worn a helmet, and 27% have quit going helmet-less. So 65% currently always wear a helmet.

Only 11% have never worn a helmet, and less than 6% have quit wearing a helmet... so 27% who currently never wear a helmet. A relatively low but significant percentage.

22% sometimes but not always wear a helmet.

In my case I always wear a helmet on long rides, but not on short utility trips in town.

sudo bike 09-14-12 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Ninety5rpm (Post 14731857)
Interesting poll results.

38% have always worn a helmet, and 27% have quit going helmet-less. So 65% currently always wear a helmet.

Only 11% have never worn a helmet, and less than 6% have quit wearing a helmet... so 27% who currently never wear a helmet. A relatively low but significant percentage.

22% sometimes but not always wear a helmet.

In my case I always wear a helmet on long rides, but not on short utility trips in town.

You've got to remember the audience, too. Most poor folks using a cheap-o Walmart or Target bike to get from A to B aren't going to be signing up with BikeForums and even less likely to have any strong stances or take a poll about helmet usage. Still, that sounds about right for BF... I'd actually expect if everyone on BF contributed to the poll, you'd have more helmet use, but that's just speculation.

mconlonx 09-14-12 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by sudo bike (Post 14732237)
You've got to remember the audience, too. Most poor folks using a cheap-o Walmart or Target bike to get from A to B aren't going to be signing up with BikeForums and even less likely to have any strong stances or take a poll about helmet usage. Still, that sounds about right for BF... I'd actually expect if everyone on BF contributed to the poll, you'd have more helmet use, but that's just speculation.

To be sure: the vast majority of bicycle riders in the world do not wear helmets.

I think the cognitive dissonance in this case is because the ratio of bare-headers to helmeteers posting in this particular thread seems very much the opposite of what the poll would suggest -- not individual posters, mind you (which might actually work out like the poll suggests), but number of posts/sheer content by word count.

rydabent 09-17-12 07:37 AM

The fact that the majority of bike riders in the world may have something to do with the fact that having food on the table is their biggest need.

rekmeyata 09-17-12 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 14740403)
The fact that the majority of bike riders in the world may have something to do with the fact that having food on the table is their biggest need.

exactly!

It's amazing how rose colored American glasses are.

John C. Ratliff 09-17-12 08:36 AM

I'm back...

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/inde..._river_default

John

skye 09-17-12 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 14740403)
The fact that the majority of bike riders in the world may have something to do with the fact that having food on the table is their biggest need.

Yeah, I just can't stop thinking of those helmetless, starving kids in Copenhagen...

skye 09-17-12 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by John C. Ratliff (Post 14740699)

The guy clearly hasn't read the research about helmet use in his own sport, much less in cycling.

bandit1990 09-17-12 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by DScience (Post 14696149)
I've lived in Davis CA for a year now, and casual riders tend to stay away from helmets. I followed this lead, until now. I have this forum to thank for that too. After reading of the horrific accidents people report on here, I had some sense knocked into me (pun intended!). What did it most was a nice gentleman who posted about his wife being struck by a car from behind and how she didn't even realize her helmet was damaged. It made me think. I used to assume that if I was careful enough I could avoid careless drivers. But now I realize there are times where you just can't react or make any decisions in time.

Well, I tested it out and it's not as bad as I thought! I actually like it! It's very low profile: Specialized Echelon. It's cheap and I feel like it will be okay for my daily commutes. If anyone thinks that this inexpensive helmet isn't as safe, please let me know!

:D Protect the most amazing piece of matter on earth...the human brain!

So how does that helmet protect against pepper-spray? Oops...touchy subject. Forget I asked. Answer: NOT VERY WELL!

rekmeyata 09-17-12 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by skye (Post 14742665)
Yeah, I just can't stop thinking of those helmetless, starving kids in Copenhagen...

That's right, find some obscure city with less then 1.5 million people and long standing and very effective bike infrastructure system that is a western world not even close to starving; why not Hanoi or some such place that represent thousands of cities in third world countries. That's right, because your point couldn't be made.

skye 09-17-12 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by rekmeyata (Post 14742905)
That's right, find some obscure city with less then 1.5 million people and long standing and very effective bike infrastructure system that is a western world not even close to starving; why not Hanoi or some such place that represent thousands of cities in third world countries. That's right, because your point couldn't be made.

My point being that we have no idea whatsoever what the riding population or conditions are for those masses of people who are cycling helmetless in third world countries, and your assertion that they are only riding without helmets because they cant afford them because they must spend all their money on food is both asinine and laughable.

However, it is regrettable, not laughable, that so much of the world's population goes hungry. And for you to conflate starvation with bareheaded bicycle riding demeans the suffering of that level of poverty.

I just tried to put the discussion back on the right track by pointing out that there are populations with enough similarity to our own that useful comparisons can be drawn.

The "I would wear a helmet but I have to buy dinner for my family" argument has to be the lamest, weakest and perhaps most obnoxious argument I've seen on this thread.

njkayaker 09-17-12 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by skye (Post 14742987)
My point being that we have no idea whatsoever what the riding population or conditions are for those masses of people who are cycling helmetless in third world countries, and your assertion that they are only riding without helmets because they cant afford them because they must spend all their money on food is both asinine and laughable.

They just ride slow, just like most of the riders in Copenhagen!

Instead of worrying about helmet use, people should be lobbying for a 5 mph maximum speed for bicyclists!

ZmanKC 09-17-12 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by skye (Post 14742665)
Yeah, I just can't stop thinking of those helmetless, starving kids in Copenhagen...

And Amsterdam. Don't forget Amsterdam. :p

capejohn 09-18-12 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by bandit1990 (Post 14742870)
So how does that helmet protect against pepper-spray? Oops...touchy subject. Forget I asked. Answer: NOT VERY WELL!

About the same as it does getting hit by a car.

mconlonx 09-18-12 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by skye (Post 14742987)
I just tried to put the discussion back on the right track by pointing out that there are populations with enough similarity to our own that useful comparisons can be drawn.

Sorry, but I call BS on that.

I.e. What specific similarities between Copenhagen to any other locale you reference are at all appropriate? Remember, you're calling someone else out on their comparison...

closetbiker 09-18-12 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by rekmeyata (Post 14714895)
You see ads? I never see any on this forum. But I do see dead people!


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 14716960)
Aka: the formerly helmetless.

The helmeted die too y'know. In fact there's no reliable data that even suggests helmet usage reduces death to cyclists, but you know that already. I guess the chance to insinuate an "organ donor" joke was too great.

In the meantime, here's an article out of Bike Biz about how it is every bike retailer's "responsibility" to inform customers about the "dangers" of cycling to sell more helmets.

Amanda Grant, director of communications at helmet supplier Rudy Project North America advised that children should be shocked into wearing helmets.

http://www.bikebiz.com/index.php/new...-lawyer/013638

Gee. What a surprise. Create sales through fear.


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