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The way I see it is, besides (trying to) look cool, what do you gain from not wearing a helmet?
Forget stats and what not for a minute: Isn't it kind of obvious that in a situation where you're crashing into the ground/pole/wall/wtv at 20km/h, a helmet will give you more protection than the absence of one? Having had 3 concussions in my young life (I'm 20 y/o; all three were hockey related), the last thing I want to do is risk having another and ruining the rest of my life. A helmet helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... |
Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891216)
The way I see it is, besides (trying to) look cool, what do you gain from not wearing a helmet?
Forget stats and what not for a minute: Isn't it kind of obvious that in a situation where you're crashing into the ground/pole/wall/wtv at 20km/h, a helmet will give you more protection than the absence of one? Having had 3 concussions in my young life (I'm 20 y/o; all three were hockey related), the last thing I want to do is risk having another and ruining the rest of my life. A helmet helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 16891247)
Your experience and $0.02 sounds like you have the most to gain by quitting hockey.
Contrary to what I believed when I was 13-14, I am indeed not invincible and truly believe that you should always do everything you can to ensure personal safety. (I'm not saying not to have fun, just don't be stupid about it!) |
Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891216)
The way I see it is, besides (trying to) look cool, what do you gain from not wearing a helmet?
Forget stats and what not for a minute: Isn't it kind of obvious that in a situation where you're crashing into the ground/pole/wall/wtv at 20km/h, a helmet will give you more protection than the absence of one? Having had 3 concussions in my young life (I'm 20 y/o; all three were hockey related), the last thing I want to do is risk having another and ruining the rest of my life. A helmet helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... |
Originally Posted by elcruxio
(Post 16891393)
What if I told you that some forms of cycling are not dangerous enough to warrant safety gear and are actually on par or lower in risk levels with several other day to day activities where no safety equipment is worn.
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Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891395)
And what forms of cycling would that be?
So mainly non sportive cycling in general |
Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891216)
The way I see it is, besides (trying to) look cool, what do you gain from not wearing a helmet?
Forget stats and what not for a minute: Isn't it kind of obvious that in a situation where you're crashing into the ground/pole/wall/wtv at 20km/h, a helmet will give you more protection than the absence of one? Having had 3 concussions in my young life (I'm 20 y/o; all three were hockey related), the last thing I want to do is risk having another and ruining the rest of my life. A helmet helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/201...ating-date.jpg |
Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
(Post 16891406)
The reasoning is, I'm a highly competent skater and have %110 faith in my own abilities. The reason I wear a helmet while cycling is not because I think I'll make a mistake, but because I know that not everyone on the road, whether they're driving or cycling are as skilled/experienced as they should be (to maintain a safe environment on the road). I'm worried about a driver running a red, or being doored as I pass by a parked car. |
Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891412)
If I'm on the ice by myself, or with a person or two, no. GASP! WHAT A HYPOCRITE?!??!?!
The reasoning is, I'm a highly competent skater and have %110 faith in my own abilities. The reason I wear a helmet while cycling is not because I think I'll make a mistake, but because I know that not everyone on the road, whether they're driving or cycling are as skilled/experienced as they should be (to maintain a safe environment on the road). I'm worried about a driver running a red, or being doored as I pass by a parked car. Also, while walking down the street you can trip, get run over by a car or plowed down by an errant cyclist. You can't really trust the judgement of others while doing something as simple as walking so why not wear a helmet then? |
A typical road cycling helmet is inadequate for many crashes involving automobiles and a helmet should not be considered baseline PPE for any cycling activity.
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Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891216)
The way I see it is, besides (trying to) look cool, what do you gain from not wearing a helmet?
Forget stats and what not for a minute: Isn't it kind of obvious that in a situation where you're crashing into the ground/pole/wall/wtv at 20km/h, a helmet will give you more protection than the absence of one? Having had 3 concussions in my young life (I'm 20 y/o; all three were hockey related), the last thing I want to do is risk having another and ruining the rest of my life. A helmet helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... I doubt anybody is going to try to talk you out of wearing a helmet. Wear it in good health. You have a lot of company, judging by the poll results. I'm one of the very small minority who used to, but stopped. I would guess that most non-wearers who have posted here have given the matter a fair amount of thought; aren't particularly interested in "(trying to) look cool" (maybe actually being cool, in some cases); and are aware how important their head is. They simply disagree that a helmet is necessary to keep it intact. Considering how many accidents happen in the home, cycling is probably the safest thing I'll do today. http://www.notanothercyclingforum.net/pics/vicCBE.jpg Palace security insists that the Queen wear a helmet, even at home, in case she slips and hits her head on the medal. |
Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891216)
The way I see it is, besides (trying to) look cool, what do you gain from not wearing a helmet?
-Helmets are uncomfortable. -Helmet are a hassle and inconvenient. -Helmets greatly reduce the sense of freedom associated with cycling -There are much better ways to ensure safety than helmets -Helmets are fairly ineffective -Helmets distract from real safety issues, especially when they are promoted as the Holy Grail of bicycle safety, which they most definitely arent. -Helmets often give wearers a false sense of safety, arguably resulting in too much) risk compensation. -Helmets damage the image of cycling -Helmets discourage cycling -Helmets are unnecessary for the common cyclist. A helmet helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Avoiding busy traffic helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Installing bicycle lights helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Mirrors help you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Avoiding mountain biking helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Staying off of unpaved roads and trails helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Only riding stationary bicycles helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Ditching your brake-less fixie helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Not riding under the influence of alcohol and drugs helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Not wearing headphones helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... (Just to be clear, I'm not arguing people should stop mountainbiking etc. ,I'm not arrogant enough to tell other adults what risks they should and shouldn't take, but this is how BHAs sound to me. The difference is that most of the suggestions I make are much better to ensure safety than donning foam fruit baskets.) |
Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891395)
And what forms of cycling would that be?
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Originally Posted by pguru
(Post 16891395)
And what forms of cycling would that be?
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carinus
The first 3 and the last 3 on your list is just plain wrong. As I have stated many times, after I put my helmet on, it is completely forgotten until I get home and go to take it off. Really would you ride down the street chanting to yourself --------Im wearing a helmet--Im wearing a helmet? |
carinus
You say helmets damage the image of cycling. I say it is the complete opposite. In fact I say that anyone that sees a cyclist riding with a helmet thinks that there is a person that is really into cycling. |
Originally Posted by rydabent
(Post 16891679)
The first 3 and the last 3 on your list is just plain wrong. As I have stated many times, after I put my helmet on, it is completely forgotten until I get home and go to take it off.
You say helmets damage the image of cycling. I say it is the complete opposite. In fact I say that anyone that sees a cyclist riding with a helmet thinks that there is a person that is really into cycling. |
Originally Posted by rydabent
(Post 16891679)
carinus
The first 3 and the last 3 on your list is just plain wrong. As I have stated many times, after I put my helmet on, it is completely forgotten until I get home and go to take it off. Really would you ride down the street chanting to yourself --------Im wearing a helmet--Im wearing a helmet? Post Office Bank Grocer Hardware Store Barber Florist Yoga Studio Cafe Restaurant Bus Train Ferry Etc You would likely think about your helmet every stop you make. People who ride their bike places to do things often buckle their helmet to their bike (which could lead to theft, tampering and UV damage of EPS) or carry it in with them which can be burdensome on many errands and can result in one putting the helmet down and forgetting it and leaving it behind. It strikes me that cycling itself is likely the end goal of most your trips. If cycling was simply the means of most of your trips you might have a different perspective. |
Originally Posted by CarinusMalmari
(Post 16891511)
This is just a false cliche BHAs use to portray people who choose to ride bare-headed as shallow idiots who are only concerned with their image. Of course there's people who's coolness factor is the only consideration to not wear a helmet, but there are many other reasons to not wear and/or be critical of helmets.
-Helmets are uncomfortable. -Helmet are a hassle and inconvenient. -Helmets greatly reduce the sense of freedom associated with cycling -There are much better ways to ensure safety than helmets -Helmets are fairly ineffective -Helmets distract from real safety issues, especially when they are promoted as the Holy Grail of bicycle safety, which they most definitely arent. -Helmets often give wearers a false sense of safety, arguably resulting in too much) risk compensation. -Helmets damage the image of cycling -Helmets discourage cycling -Helmets are unnecessary for the common cyclist. Limiting your speed to 25km/helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Avoiding busy traffic helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Installing bicycle lights helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Mirrors help you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Avoiding mountain biking helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Staying off of unpaved roads and trails helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Only riding stationary bicycles helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Ditching your brake-less fixie helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Not riding under the influence of alcohol and drugs helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Not wearing headphones helps you better protect the MOST important part of your body; if that's not reason enough, I don't know what is. Just my $0.02... (Just to be clear, I'm not arguing people should stop mountainbiking etc. ,I'm not arrogant enough to tell other adults what risks they should and shouldn't take, but this is how BHAs sound to me. The difference is that most of the suggestions I make are much better to ensure safety than donning foam fruit baskets.) I get it, you're sick of pro-helmet people pushing their ideologies on you, and I respect that. I'm going to keep wearing a helmet, and you should go ahead and not wear a helmet (if that's the way you want to ride). Not looking to start a flame war; I'm sure we both have better things to do. |
I wear a giro savant.
There are days when I would to ditch the helmet but the fact that something can happen any second has me feared to go helmet less. |
Originally Posted by CarinusMalmari
(Post 16891511)
-Helmets are uncomfortable.
-Helmet are a hassle and inconvenient. -Helmets greatly reduce the sense of freedom associated with cycling -There are much better ways to ensure safety than helmets -Helmets are fairly ineffective -Helmets distract from real safety issues, especially when they are promoted as the Holy Grail of bicycle safety, which they most definitely aren't. -Helmets often give wearers a false sense of safety, arguably resulting in too much) risk compensation. -Helmets damage the image of cycling -Helmets discourage cycling -Helmets are unnecessary for the common cyclist. ------------------------------------------------ Nice list BTW. I didn't want it go to to waste. Good points, many highly debatable IMO. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16892368)
So are bullet-proof vests on cops, oxygen tanks for firemen, ropes, harnesses, and hardware for mountain climbing or rock climbing, life jackets on boats or skis, and other uncountable safety accoutrements that people routinely wear and might never actually need.
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16892368)
So do anti-lock brakes, seat belts, and airbags, not to mention driving around in paramilitary urban assault vehicles like many motorists do. There is also a TRUE sense of security in having airbags in a vehicle that is very likely to roll over with the slightest mistake. And those vehicles have FOUR wheels. Bikes, with only two wheels pretty much WANT to fall over. Test this out. Take your bike, stand it straight up, then let go. What is the bikes "natural" rest position? Yup...on it's side. Now picture yourself ON it. The distance from where your head would be in the saddle of that fallen bicycle is your margin of error. Is it 6" or less not including head whip?
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 16892368)
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This is debatable for either side of the argument. 325 pages on this thread bares proof of that. If there is no indisputable proof that bike helmets prevent head injuries, then by definition there is no indisputable proof for the opposite viewpoint. ... The disputed question is how probable is it that the helmet prevents a head injury. Not the conditional probability: IF you have an accident, how likely is it that the helmet will prevent a head injury. Two vastly different things. In fact, it's Probability of accident involving a car, times probability that a car accident involves head trauma, times probability that a helmet reduces head trauma. The last of these is a fairly good probability. Most generously, 75%, less generously 33% depending on the source. Multiplied all together, the actual probability that your helmet will prevent a traumatic head injury on a given ride, is often low enough to be irrelevant. |
A person can drown in 3" of water. STAY AWAY FROM WATER!!!!!!!
I bicycle to Walmart, Home Depot, Publix, Winn Dixie, CVS, Walgreens and wear my helmet inside of the establishments. Never know when some shopper might mow me down with a shopping cart or I might suffer a slip and fall. :) |
The fully kitted roadies that post here against helmet reminds me of the sun deck Charlies in a very expensive ski jacket. The sit on the sun deck at the ski lodge with high priced skis that probably have never touched snow. The too know it all.
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