Originally Posted by kwv

moxfyre don't you think it is wrong for you to complain when someone is doing illegal "1 had blinker but no helmet, and 2 had neither. Also, one of them had a singlespeed with only a coaster brake, and his chain was too long and droopy, which drove me nuts and made me want to whip out a frickin' chain tool " when you are doing something illegal yourself?

Also why do you think by doing the following you are not doing anything unsafe, the drivers won't be pissed off when they see you do these illegal things, well think oh good this rider is not inconsiderate and is a safe rider and by doing these illegal things you are not making it unpleasant for the next rider that the driver see.

"If there are no cars at a stop sign and I can see clearly, I'll coast through it. Instead of going through a left turn at a busy intersection, I'll often cut over onto the left-side sidewalk and go around the corner on it, then cut back across when the road is clear".

Originally Posted by moxfyre

Well... you got me. I guess I feel that their cycling is MORE unsafe and MORE inconsiderate than mine, particularly not riding with lights and safe brakes. I'm not particularly worried about the legal/illegal part, I have to say, because I don't think it is always well matched up with what is safe or not safe.

Originally Posted by kwv

Well someone has to especially to point out the truth such as you think it is okay to do something illegal and unsafe when you complain someone else is doing something illegal.

But then again are you going to blame yourself or others when you get into trouble for doing something unsafe and illegal?

Originally Posted by qmsdc15

Lights maybe required in Maryland but helmets aren't and droppy chains aren't illegal either. Moxfire was pointing out how goofy the CM riders are and I've seen the same kind of things. Still they have a right to ride. Obeying traffic laws while cycling sounds even goofier to me. Observe right of way, be safe, ride on!