Digital_Cowboy

Ever hear of the doctrine of last clear chance?

ItsJustMe

Doesn't that require BOTH parties to make efforts to avoid collisions, regardless of right/wrong?

ItsJustMe

You can't freely speed through ANY neighborhood.

Even in this situation, let me provide a counter-example. Kid darts out from between parked cars and gets hit. Driver was obeying all laws. Driver at fault?

Depending on the geometry of the intersection (a driveway is a private intersection) it could be almost exactly the same thing. Hedges, mailboxes, poles, all kinds of things could have made it almost impossible for the driver to see. Some driveways are laid out such that a vehicle driver can't see what's on the sidewalk until the vehicle is already blocking a lot of it. I don't like those layouts but it's hardly the driver's fault.

In any case, I fail to see how citing a vehicle operator for violating a law after an accident is even contentious.

ItsJustMe

Doubtful. Wheelchairs don't usually go 10+ MPH, they go walking speed, perhaps 5 MPH, a speed which a driver is expecting on the sidewalk.

Commodus

Yes, and that's essentially what I agreed to in my last post. Even though the cyclist wasn't allowed to be there, the driver was still in a position to reasonably avoid this accident.

dynodonn 

..and probably why the motorist crossed the sidewalk at the speed they did without much thought. In a word, complacency.

genec

Apparently those Denver bike cops fail to realize they are setting examples for anyone that sees them.

genec

My wife typically bikes at 8MPH... while cycling on sidewalks is often illegal, doing 8MPH on the street would sure upset some drivers... I can't help but wonder how fast the cyclist was going... and whether the motorist would have seen her had she been right there in the street.

enigmaT120

They do that in Salem, too. They ride around on the sidewalks and ticket other bicyclists for riding on the sidewalks.

ItsJustMe

You can't win the speed battle when on a bike. If you're riding 15 MPH on the sidewalk, they'll get mad at you riding recklessly. If you ride 15 MPH in the street, they'll honk at you for going too slow, and then someone will right-hook or left-cross you because they "didn't think bikes moved that fast." I've even heard of people doing 30 MPH in the street getting harassed for riding recklessly (while just keeping up with traffic).

Rx Rider

I just got stopped by a Denver cop and boy am I beat. Denver cops are a good example of a bad example of a police officer.

CB HI

You and I must have seen different electric wheelchairs. And Segways are limited to 12.5 mph by a speed limiter which if overridden will allow them to go 20 mph.

dynodonn 

Any story behind this that you are willing to inform us about?

Keith99

Which applies as much to the cyclist.

mikeybikes

Here's a google street view of the driveway: https://g.co/maps/xv7rj

Its the driveway for the starbucks strip mall going onto Asbury. Those look like some nice sight lines.

Digital_Cowboy

It requires if I'm not mistaken for you as the driver to avoid hitting a salmoning cyclist, even though he is operating illegally. Here is a link for the Doctrine of last Clear Chance.

Digital_Cowboy

Really, what wheelchairs have you seen that usually go 10+ MPH? If that were the case then why did the VA put up signs in all of it's buildings telling wheelchair/mobility device users to use the SLOWEST speed when indoors?

Digital_Cowboy

Agreed, or in an example that I was in not too long ago. I was riding to the library on a Sunday afternoon. There was a bus discharging a passenger. Who apparently had her cell phone "glued" to her ear before she got off of the bus. She is so engrossed in her conversation that she steps off of the curb without even looking.

If I hadn't been paying attention I would have run her over. And ironically I'd have been at fault cause I had the last clear chance to avoid the crash.

Rx Rider

when I lived in Denver I there was one fellow in a wheelchair that seemed intent on disabling pedestrians, with one hand (he had two) he absolutely flew down sidewalks giving little regard for others, and modified electric wheelchairs could easily exceed 15 mph.

Digital_Cowboy

You'd think that someone in a wheelchair would be more not less careful around pedestrians.

ItsJustMe

Did you not see the "DON'T" in my message?

Digital_Cowboy

Yes, I did, and I stand by what I said. IF that was the case, then why does the VA "need" to put signs at EVERY entrance instructing wheelchair users to use the slow speed?

ItsJustMe

OK, your message was just oddly worded, you were asking if I'd ever seen a wheelchair that went 10+ MPH, implying that you didn't think any of them did, and that's exactly what I was saying as well.

I know that wheelchairs have multiple speed ranges but I wasn't aware that they commonly had ranges that went 10 or more miles per hour.

Commodus

I've seen some pretty fast wheelchairs. I have no idea how fast, but certainly faster than a normal walking speed. I know because the driver barged his way past me!

Digital_Cowboy

I apologize for that. When I used to go to James A. Haley over in Tampa it was real bad. Vet's in electronic wheelchairs/electronic assist "vehicles" riding around and acting like those of us who didn't need to use them had to get out of their way.

Agreed, you'd think that people who are in wheelchairs/electronic assist "vehicles" would be more careful.