San Francisco "cracking down" on cyclists?
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San Fran seems like such a wonderful place to live (sarcasm).
Everytime I read an article from SF I look at the comments, comments in general (where ever you read them) are negative, but seems especially so in SF and it's not just the comments section, it's in the reporting and interviews on the street in video feeds... Not something I'd expect from a city that protects the rights of gold fish.
Everytime I read an article from SF I look at the comments, comments in general (where ever you read them) are negative, but seems especially so in SF and it's not just the comments section, it's in the reporting and interviews on the street in video feeds... Not something I'd expect from a city that protects the rights of gold fish.
To be fair, I see a LOT of stupid behavior by cyclists in the city. Very rarely to do they follow the traffic laws. Riding through stops, wrong side of road, weaving and swerving across lanes are all very common activities. I guess the cyclists own sense of smug entitlement blinds them to the fact that precisely this sort of behavior is what the cagers use to fuel their rage and give it some hint of justification.
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To be fair, I see a LOT of stupid behavior by cyclists in the city. Very rarely to do they follow the traffic laws. Riding through stops, wrong side of road, weaving and swerving across lanes are all very common activities. I guess the cyclists own sense of smug entitlement blinds them to the fact that precisely this sort of behavior is what the cagers use to fuel their rage and give it some hint of justification.
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Maybe, maybe not. It's a judgment call, and more often than not, the court sides with the cop as an expert in such matters. If the cop simply claims that the cyclist could have stopped after the light turned yellow, the cyclist loses.
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If the testimony of the cop is that the cyclist entered the intersection on a yellow but should have been able to stop then the court should immediately dismiss the charge. And even if a judge may mistakenly rule against the cyclist, such testimony would provide him with grounds for a successful appeal.
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Perhaps the laws vary by state then. Yes, if you enter the intersection on yellow, you can't get a ticket for running a red light, but I once got a ticket in Michigan for running a yellow light with my car. Frustratingly, it was equivalent in fine and points to running a red light.
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Perhaps the laws vary by state then. Yes, if you enter the intersection on yellow, you can't get a ticket for running a red light, but I once got a ticket in Michigan for running a yellow light with my car. Frustratingly, it was equivalent in fine and points to running a red light.
Michigan law is indeed different, and effectively gives cops the discretion to decide whether proceeding on a yellow is legal:
257.612 (b) If the signal exhibits a steady yellow indication, vehicular traffic facing the signal shall stop before entering the nearest crosswalk at the intersection or at a limit line when marked, but if the stop cannot be made in safety, a vehicle may be driven cautiously through the intersection.
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speak for yourself. When I riding my bike, I generally observe the law much more closely than the motorists I see. I'm amazed there aren't gun battles as bad as drivers are around here. I think they should consider calling Pennsylvania the "brake check state"
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Yeah, well they got me. It was years ago though.
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Especially appropriate nickname to place on rear license plates.
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If we want motorists to follow the law than we as legal, and legitimate road users must also follow the law. Otherwise we are in reality no better than the motorists that we speak out against.
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