Originally Posted by Bekologist
(Post 14275997)
Anyone have much success preventing high speed traffic from passing in a no passing zone when the road is clear?
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
(Post 14290003)
.....statutory regulation of vehicles interacting with bikes in traffic code can aid in legitimizing bike traffic to other road users- why yes, John.
How astute of you. If we can do that, then there is NO need pass or include language in laws aimed specifically at bicycles. |
Originally Posted by Bekologist
(Post 14276732)
Today I was out for a few hours and noticed no motorists even hesitating to cross a double yellow line if it was clear for them to do so, despite it being technically illegal.
Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 14276776)
Uh, because presumably there is (or was) some reason why the city, county or state has designated a particular area of a particular street as a no passing zone.
On one of the stretches of the roads that I ride on a regular basis, there are not only the double yellow lines, BUT those black and white "no passing zone" signs AND sharrows painted on the road about mid-lane. And I have been passed in that zone. |
Originally Posted by Doohickie
(Post 14290200)
So what? If you're not a cop and you were passed safely, why does it matter to you?
so, if a law like this makes riding two lane highways more 'legit' in the eyes of the motoring public, I'm all for it. its common behavior, maybe it would be easier for the remaining 30 states without vulnerable user laws or safe passing laws to sell the bill to the legislators. make it explicitly okay to pass bicyclists on a double yellow, so long as its safe and the motorist passes at least x number of feet away. |
Ah. Good points, Bek.
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How on earth do you guys deal with agricultural equipment on the road? Like tractors, combines and cotton pickers for example? It has been standard practice for some time where I grew up that one could pass slow moving vehicles regardless of the painted line designations if the road was clear and you could see far enough to pass safely. Sometimes the tractor would have dual rear tires and would be pulling a disc harrow or some other equipment that took up more than one lane on a two lane road. The tractor operator would weave in and out of the road to allow traffic to pass and also dodge hitting mail boxes on the side of the road. God forbid other people actually use the public roads.
And, for the record, nobody likes being held up by slow(er) moving traffic, but when you're dealing with a tractor that is larger than your car or truck, you really can't do much about it. Single bicyclists are substantially easier to pass. |
Originally Posted by krome
(Post 14290943)
How on earth do you guys deal with agricultural equipment on the road? Like tractors, combines and cotton pickers for example? It has been standard practice for some time where I grew up that one could pass slow moving vehicles regardless of the painted line designations if the road was clear and you could see far enough to pass safely. Sometimes the tractor would have dual rear tires and would be pulling a disc harrow or some other equipment that took up more than one lane on a two lane road. The tractor operator would weave in and out of the road to allow traffic to pass and also dodge hitting mail boxes on the side of the road. God forbid other people actually use the public roads.
And, for the record, nobody likes being held up by slow(er) moving traffic, but when you're dealing with a tractor that is larger than your car or truck, you really can't do much about it. Single bicyclists are substantially easier to pass. Bek does not even understand that in parts of PA, motorist are far more likely to encounter a buggy than a cyclist. |
Originally Posted by phoebeisis
(Post 14290147)
"is something magical about the bicycle that makes such safe and lawful."
Yes their dimensions are magical- bikes are short 6 feet narrow 2.5 feet slow 15 mph- easy to safely pass- hence the magically sensible laws allowing the double yellow pass. Bikes aren't cars. |
Originally Posted by Doohickie
(Post 14290200)
So what? If you're not a cop and you were passed safely, why does it matter to you?
Again.... so what? Exactly, I'd rather motorists did something that may be technically illegal but gets them on their way and doesn't endanger me, than stick rigidly to the letter of the law even when it clearly serves no purpose, especially when it leaves them agitated to get past me sooner rather than later. |
Originally Posted by Bekologist
(Post 14290421)
Well, its a very common practice. And I've read of how these types of "pass on the double yellow" laws can ease friction, and perceived friction, between motorists and bicyclists. I think that was the rationale given for Wisconsin's law when it was just a bill.
so, if a law like this makes riding two lane highways more 'legit' in the eyes of the motoring public, I'm all for it. its common behavior, maybe it would be easier for the remaining 30 states without vulnerable user laws or safe passing laws to sell the bill to the legislators. make it explicitly okay to pass bicyclists on a double yellow, so long as its safe and the motorist passes at least x number of feet away. We have a vested interest in bicycles but I still can't see why a provision to explicitly allow slow traffic to be passed despite the presence of a no-passing zone needs to focus exclusively on bikes. As people have said there are also things like Amish buggies, agricultural equipment, Amish agricultural equipment (which can be a bundle of fun on the road), cars with broken gearboxes so they can't get out of first gear, all sorts of things. It makes little sense to say a driver can legally pass a cyclist doing 20mph but not an Amish buggy doing less than half that. |
Originally Posted by contango
(Post 14291648)
We have a vested interest in bicycles but I still can't see why a provision to explicitly allow slow traffic to be passed despite the presence of a no-passing zone needs to focus exclusively on bikes. As people have said there are also things like Amish buggies, agricultural equipment, Amish agricultural equipment (which can be a bundle of fun on the road), cars with broken gearboxes so they can't get out of first gear, all sorts of things. It makes little sense to say a driver can legally pass a cyclist doing 20mph but not an Amish buggy doing less than half that.
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
(Post 14276732)
I'm not trying to stop traffic! Today I was out for a few hours and noticed no motorists even hesitating to cross a double yellow line if it was clear for them to do so, despite it being technically illegal. Which is pretty common anytime I ride, just noticed it today particularly (maybe because of light Sat morning traffic & light oncoming traffic made it especially noticeable.)
1. Predict others. 2. Be predictable. Now that you know that people cross the line, whether it's legal or not, you can expect them to continue to do so. The law is not going to change it. This falls under rule number 1. And now that crossing the line is predictable, you know that being in someone's way is not a way to prevent them from passing you. |
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 14291683)
In the 1960-70s, it was often hippies in VW buses driving uphill on mountain roads as well.
Trouble with mountain roads is they tend to be narrow and windy so however slow something is going it's hard to get past it. I remember being stuck behind an Amish buggy going up a very twisty mountain road in PA. That was interesting. |
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