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I really like those strobes. Be careful out there.
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It's usually not legal for motor vehicle drivers to cross the fog line to pass on the right (I believe TX is one exception).
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not only that, if the white van wasn't parked in the first photo, a motorist could easily try to pass a left turner.
I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here. It's really an inditement of poor situational awareness, regardless of the stripes on the road.
It's really a no-brainer - watch out approaching a line of cars with a left turner at the front of the line.
Be doubly cautious, especially so, if there's enough room for the stopped cars to try to get around.
I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here. It's really an inditement of poor situational awareness, regardless of the stripes on the road.
It's really a no-brainer - watch out approaching a line of cars with a left turner at the front of the line.
Be doubly cautious, especially so, if there's enough room for the stopped cars to try to get around.
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Auto traffic is de-prioritizing itself in NOLA. Any major event such as a Superbowl or Final Four in town completely shuts down about 50 square blocks (not huge NYC type blocks) to auto traffic. Locals and folks parking cars at hotels inside this grid get a pass as do delivery drivers very early a.m. but casual driving around is shut down all through the event. Otherwise, during morning and evening rush hour things get pretty ugly, especially if something goes wrong, like one traffic signal failing.
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not only that, if the white van wasn't parked in the first photo, a motorist could easily try to pass a left turner.
I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here. It's really an inditement of poor situational awareness, regardless of the stripes on the road.
It's really a no-brainer - watch out approaching a line of cars with a left turner at the front of the line.
Be doubly cautious, especially so, if there's enough room for the stopped cars to try to get around.
I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here. It's really an inditement of poor situational awareness, regardless of the stripes on the road.
It's really a no-brainer - watch out approaching a line of cars with a left turner at the front of the line.
Be doubly cautious, especially so, if there's enough room for the stopped cars to try to get around.
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It's obvious looking at the photos that I rolled into a trap and could have done any number of things better.
I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here.
Ask any dead Hollywood stuntman how they died. It wasn't some complicated stunt that killed them but some humdrum no-brainer that gets them.
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There is the irony. Everyone expects me to crash and burn blasting through an 8-lane highway against a red light. But I was just minding my own business tooling along in a bike lane about to proceed through a green light. My awareness may have lapsed as Bek keeps railing me about, but I wasn't doing anything "wrong" out there. Just putting along in the bike lane when a "piano" almost falls on me.
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[h=4]Passing on the Right[/h] CVC 21754. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn.
(b) Upon a highway within a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in the direction of travel.
(c) Upon any highway outside of a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width and clearly marked for two or more lines of moving traffic in the direction of travel.
(d) Upon a one-way street.
(e) Upon a highway divided into two roadways where traffic is restricted to one direction upon each of such roadways.
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn.
(b) Upon a highway within a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in the direction of travel.
(c) Upon any highway outside of a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width and clearly marked for two or more lines of moving traffic in the direction of travel.
(d) Upon a one-way street.
(e) Upon a highway divided into two roadways where traffic is restricted to one direction upon each of such roadways.
A. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(2) Upon a one-way street, or upon a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the highway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles;
(3) Upon multiple-lane highways.
B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main traveled portion of the highway.
Acts 1962, No. 310, §1.
(1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(2) Upon a one-way street, or upon a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the highway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles;
(3) Upon multiple-lane highways.
B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main traveled portion of the highway.
Acts 1962, No. 310, §1.
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If you're surprised, then you haven't been watching enough of Joey's videos. In order to do what he does, he has to assess what's going on rather quickly and can't always double-check. That leaves him vulnerable to a motorist who sends one signal, like initiating a stop behind a left-turning vehicle, who then suddenly changes his mind. It's not like Joey ignored the possibility of a car pulling into the bike lane; he checked and was given one signal that turned out to be wrong when the motorist changed his/her mind.
That same bikelane has probably been used by Joey to his great advantage passing stopped cars - just got to watch the intersections, no matter the stripes.
A rider must always be on guard anytime they're attempting to pass a vehicle and there's room for that vehicle to occupy the same space.
-Any traffic jammer knows this.
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spare me; Joey tried to pass a vehicle behind a left turner with room for that driver to move right and pass- a place to watch out for, no matter the stripes on a road. i'd be confident this happens more on roads without bikelanes than with, and for Joey to pass the buck onto the pavement markings - which the driver may not have been even able to see - shrouds where the danger multiplier resides in this scenario...
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It actually makes sense to let cars pass on the right in that location. However, that bike lane starts at a point that literally forces cars in the right lane (of two) into the bike lane (see the photo I posted above with several cars trapped in the bike lane), then forces bikes into a trap where cars will be passing on the right without proper markings on the roadway - like: END BIKE LANE which is precisely what is happening there. But instead there is a happy bicycle with a freaking arrow guiding cyclists into a trap (visible in photo above). The bike lane does not continue beyond that intersection. The road becomes one shared lane with parallel parking on the right and eventually a curb on the left after a short bit of double-yellow line.
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maybe a bollard or two, keep those killers on their side of time line, eh? keep the mad assassins at bay from those with slowed reflexes.
i'm confident riders by and large find the bikelanes a boon at passing all the congested traffic in old town.
i'm confident riders by and large find the bikelanes a boon at passing all the congested traffic in old town.
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I guess we're looking at different photos or something. The bike lane I see is so bad even you ought to hate it, Bek.
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https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21755.htm
21755. (a) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting that movement in safety. In no event shall that movement be made by driving off the paved or main traveled portion of the roadway.
(b) This section does not prohibit the use of a bicycle in a bicycle lane or on a shoulder.
Amended Sec. 40, Ch. 491, Stats. 2010. Effective January 1, 2011.
(b) This section does not prohibit the use of a bicycle in a bicycle lane or on a shoulder.
Amended Sec. 40, Ch. 491, Stats. 2010. Effective January 1, 2011.
§74. When passing on the right is permitted
A. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(2) Upon a one-way street, or upon a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the highway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles;
(3) Upon multiple-lane highways.
B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main traveled portion of the highway.
C. This Section does not prohibit the use of a bicycle in a bicycle lane or on a shoulder.
A. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(1) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(2) Upon a one-way street, or upon a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the highway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles;
(3) Upon multiple-lane highways.
B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main traveled portion of the highway.
C. This Section does not prohibit the use of a bicycle in a bicycle lane or on a shoulder.
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yeah, everyone should simply ride their bikes in big crowded cities like New Orleans expecting motorists to simply follow the law. it's that simple.
traffic jammers should know better. This is a paltry, blame the pavement game.
traffic jammers should know better. This is a paltry, blame the pavement game.
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I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here. It's really an inditement of poor situational awareness, regardless of the stripes on the road.
It's really a no-brainer - watch out approaching a line of cars with a left turner at the front of the line.
It's really a no-brainer - watch out approaching a line of cars with a left turner at the front of the line.
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dude - it's a simple safety suggestion. it's not MY 'prowess'. Joeys the one always posting about his traffic prowess so this post seems out of character. This is a shame and blame the pavement game.
for those of you riding into scenarios like this - stopped traffic, left turner, space for cars to pass, do not let your guard down simply because you think the driver isn't going to try to get around!
basic situational awareness for riding in cities or anywhere you encounter a line of backed up traffic.
Don't tell the forum you too, Sudo, recommend the 'ignorance is bliss' technique when you approach a line of stopped traffic with a left turner at the front of the line, and space for the second to move around?
for those of you riding into scenarios like this - stopped traffic, left turner, space for cars to pass, do not let your guard down simply because you think the driver isn't going to try to get around!
basic situational awareness for riding in cities or anywhere you encounter a line of backed up traffic.
Don't tell the forum you too, Sudo, recommend the 'ignorance is bliss' technique when you approach a line of stopped traffic with a left turner at the front of the line, and space for the second to move around?
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sorry you can't entertain conversational repartee; the OP is suggesting because of the striping on the road, he shouldn't have had this happen to him, how dare the motorist 'break the law'.
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dude - it's a simple safety suggestion. it's not MY 'prowess'. Joeys the one always posting about his traffic prowess so this post seems out of character. This is a shame and blame the pavement game.
for those of you riding into scenarios like this - stopped traffic, left turner, space for cars to pass, do not let your guard down simply because you think the driver isn't going to try to get around!
basic situational awareness for riding in cities or anywhere you encounter a line of backed up traffic.
Don't tell the forum you too, Sudo, recommend the 'ignorance is bliss' technique when you approach a line of stopped traffic with a left turner at the front of the line, and space for the second to move around?
for those of you riding into scenarios like this - stopped traffic, left turner, space for cars to pass, do not let your guard down simply because you think the driver isn't going to try to get around!
basic situational awareness for riding in cities or anywhere you encounter a line of backed up traffic.
Don't tell the forum you too, Sudo, recommend the 'ignorance is bliss' technique when you approach a line of stopped traffic with a left turner at the front of the line, and space for the second to move around?
I'm suprised a guy with your riding chops don't know this.
-Must be pretty cloistered down there! New Orleans sounds so bucolic.
For an aspiring traffic jammer, i'm surprised a basic squeeze scenario threw ya for a loop!!~
I'm surprised this humdrum traffic danger threw Joey for a loop to the degree he wanted to post about it here. It's really an inditement of poor situational awareness, regardless of the stripes on the road.
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No. It appears that many things "seem" to you that are not real.
Anybody for whom this "seems" has comprehension problems. No one is suggesting what you are imagining they "seem" to be suggesting.
You can't deal with people talking about topics you don't approve of.
??? He isn't suggesting any such thing.
You can't deal with people talking about topics you don't approve of.
??? He isn't suggesting any such thing.
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"i'm confident riders by and large find the bikelanes a boon at passing all the congested traffic in old town."
I agree, and one should operate at a speed parameter that fits their reflexes and traffic conditions at the time.
I agree, and one should operate at a speed parameter that fits their reflexes and traffic conditions at the time.
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What do you think those dashed lines are intended to indicate?
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That's just silly. Regardless of the legality of leaving the pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway, or crossing the fog line, neither of those situations is applicable to the situation Joey shared.
What do you think those dashed lines are intended to indicate?
What do you think those dashed lines are intended to indicate?
The thing that happened to Joey doesn't only occur in places with dashed lines.
I rather-clearly wasn't talking about the dashed-line situation.
Anyway, the interest (according to Joey) of his particular situation is what it says generally about similar situations (not just in the situation where there are dashed lines).
Note that it wouldn't be legal if the lane was a right-turn lane (even with the dashed lines). (Because you are easlily confused, I'll point out that it appears there wasn't a right-turn only lane in Joey's particular situation.)
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As for the common passing-left-turning-traffic-on-the-right procedure, almost nobody in America hesitates to do so, whether it requires leaving the main roadway, using a paved or unpaved shoulder, or not. It's SOP.
The lesson for cyclists is the same in both cases: Passing traffic that may move right, on the right, is dangerous.
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