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Old 04-23-15 | 11:11 AM
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Kool Stop - Dura vs Dura 2, any worthwhile difference?

Kool Stop make Dura and Dura 2 pads, which both fit the same Dura Ace-style holders:

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Apparently, the Dura 2 is (per Kool Stop) "newly designed"; Harris Cyclery call it an "upgrade" from the Dura, but the real difference - same compounds - is that the Dura 2 is thicker and has no "plow tip".

Ceteris paribus, thicker = longer life = better, but is the plow tip a gimmick, or a feature worth having? For the sake of argument, this is on a bike that would very, very rarely see mud.
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The plough tip is more about skimming water off rims than mud IIRC. I use Dura 2 and they're fine, so I guess I don't know what I'm missing.
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I have heard of folks filing down the "plow tip" in a effort to stop squealing/chatter, perhaps this is the "upgrade" to which they are referring. The plow tip appears to stand somewhat proud of the rest of the pad when new, I can't see that the tip will accomplish much after it has gotten worn down flush with the rest of the pad.
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The Dura-2 brake pads are narrower, and so are a better choice for rims with a narrow brake track. (I used "brake track" to refer to the area on the rim available for the brake pad to contact, not sure I'm using the right terminology) . I used the original Dura pads with Velocity Synergy rims, which have a generous brake track, they worked nicely. Now I'm using Velocity A23 rims, which have a pretty narrow brake track, so I'm using the Dura-2 brake pads with very good results. Overall braking performance seemed the same with either version.
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Do any of them not howl like a stuck pig?

On the cheap Canti's I had them on, every stop in a group ride was embarrassing no matter the tow in setting.
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the plow tipo is a toe-in aid, and wears off fairly quickly, though it can cause some added squeal when new. You can do without and use a dime or piece of cardboard as a toe-in guide instead.
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Originally Posted by Jarrett2
Do any of them not howl like a stuck pig?

On the cheap Canti's I had them on, every stop in a group ride was embarrassing no matter the tow in setting.
They need to wear in, not just the pads but the rims as well!

Mine were fine until recently, when I replaced the wheels on my cross bike with some Archetypes, and the breaks now howl no matter how much I toe them in. I expect after a few hundred miles they'll quiet up again, maybe after all the anodizing has worn off the Archetype rims!
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
the plow tipo is a toe-in aid, and wears off fairly quickly, though it can cause some added squeal when new. You can do without and use a dime or piece of cardboard as a toe-in guide instead.
Surely the dime will fall off when you brake?

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Thanks for the comments everyone. I have a set of Dura 2 in hand, having previously used Dura and was trying to decide whether it was worth the hassle of swapping them. Seems the consensus is that the plow tip is no great benefit.
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Originally Posted by rowebr
The Dura-2 brake pads are narrower, and so are a better choice for rims with a narrow brake track. (I used "brake track" to refer to the area on the rim available for the brake pad to contact, not sure I'm using the right terminology) . I used the original Dura pads with Velocity Synergy rims, which have a generous brake track, they worked nicely. Now I'm using Velocity A23 rims, which have a pretty narrow brake track, so I'm using the Dura-2 brake pads with very good results. Overall braking performance seemed the same with either version.
Very interesting information. i have 7 pairs of new Kool Stop Salmon inserts in my parts box waiting for the current ones on my bikes to wear out. I bought them in two groups when web store orders needed a couple of extra items to get above the free shipping threshold. I just looked and 4 are Dura and 3 are Dura 2. I never noticed they weren't identical until I read this thread. The rims they will go on have plenty of brake track width so I expect which I use won't matter.
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