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ollyisk 06-18-15 08:40 AM

Question about a threaded headset
 
So, I recently, out of boredom, decided to upgrade my headset from a beaten up Shimano 600 to a sparkly NOS Dura Ace that I got for cheap on eBay. Anyway, I didn't think there'd be any significant difference in stack height, but there is. I think the Dura Ace is about 4 or 5 more mm than the 600. I know that the locking ring isn't really necessary, so I'm not worried about that, but what I am worried about, is the fact that there's maybe 2-3mm of thread for the headset, I can turn the top nut maybe 2.5 times. If I put Loc-Tite on there, will that be enough, or should I just give up the ghost and put the 600 back on?

Thanks for all your help!

HillRider 06-18-15 10:17 AM

Your old 600 may have been the loose ball (or caged ball) design and the newer Dura Ace a cartridge bearing type. The loose ball Shimano headsets had a much lower stack height than their cartridge bearing models.

I installed a Shimano 600 (HP-6400) loose ball headset with a stack height of 33mm in a '92 Trek 1420 to replace the OEM Tange headset and it fit fine. When it wore out 15,000 miles later I tried to replace it with a newer Ultegra cartridge bearing headset (HP-6500) but the stack height (37.6 mm) was enough taller that it wouldn't work.

FBinNY 06-18-15 10:21 AM

I don't like Loctite on headsets, but in dicey situations like yours where I lack good thread engagement, I use "vibra-tite" on the threads, which provides enough traction that I don't have to torque the locknut as tight as I would otherwise.

The advantage of vibra-tite or similar product over Loctite is that it allows readjustment if necessary without taking things apart to freshen the adhesive.

FastJake 06-18-15 12:12 PM

Umm... the locknut IS necessary, unless you want your headset to come out of adjustment every five seconds.

Don't hack job a nice DA headset. Put something else on there, do it right.

SquidPuppet 06-18-15 12:29 PM

I just built a bike and had the same "problem". I counted the lock nut rotations and I was at 2.25 spinning by hand. When I took my wrench to it, it "felt" just fine. I was able to get a good solid snugging against the top race. So far, so good.

I try to remind myself that the upper nut is not holding the bike together, it's just holding a light bearing adjustment in place.

JohnDThompson 06-18-15 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by FastJake (Post 17905865)
Don't hack job a nice DA headset. Put something else on there, do it right.

Or at a minimum, just use the Dura-Ace bottom stack and see if that gives you enough thread purchase.


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