Useless and Worthless Tools
#52
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Park Tool ISIS bottom bracket tool, BBT-18. Terribly loose fit and the dang thing has an octagon on the back side. Yes, 8 flats, not 6. More is better, right? Unless you want to put a socket or box end wrench on it. Horrible tool for an almost obsolete bottom bracket interface but I still wonder WTH Park Tool was thinking with that thing.
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Park Tool ISIS bottom bracket tool, BBT-18. Terribly loose fit and the dang thing has an octagon on the back side. Yes, 8 flats, not 6. More is better, right? Unless you want to put a socket or box end wrench on it. Horrible tool for an almost obsolete bottom bracket interface but I still wonder WTH Park Tool was thinking with that thing.
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#59
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Me too I am happy I have one. I find without it, working on the bike is a big PIA.
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I was just on YouTube and saw this tool; I had no idea such a thing existed. The big negative to me is that it only tunes the indexing, or tells you if the derailleur or hanger is bent. It will not help you adjust the limit screws, or the B tension screw, or tell you if the cable or housing is bad or if the chain and/or cassette is worn out. Plus it only works on Shimano and SRAM 9/10/11 speed systems, sorry Campy owners. You have both 9 and 10 speed bikes? You need two separate tools. Just too many limitations in my mind for $39.00. I guess it might be helpful to some though, but to me? Worthless.
But it's not just $39, it's $39 plus an ongoing fee. Um, nope.
Craftsman tools used to be made in America by Danaher. Now they are all almost exclusively made in China and are of inferior quality compared to their old American-made tools. I know, I have some of both and the difference in tool fit on the fastener is starkly different.
Park tools in general are fairly "decent" quality. I have found, though, that Hozan is often times better for the same price. If you can afford it, VAR, in my opinion, for bike specialty tools is top in the game; unless of course you have Campagnolo parts and Campy tools... That's why they are the most expensive. For regular tools I buy only Snap-On or Mac...oh and Bondhus for all Allen wrenches.
There is a reason why professional bike mechanics and car mechanics buy the most expensive and highest quality tools. It's because they fit the best and work the best.
There is a reason why professional bike mechanics and car mechanics buy the most expensive and highest quality tools. It's because they fit the best and work the best.
VAR can be hard to find.
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I'll also nominate the chainring bolt holder. On the rare occasion where it is needed, it's near impossible to hold still. Works no better than a bigass flathead screwdriver.
Not quite a tool, but 'glueless' patches. A.k.a. stickers.
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Maybe someday I'll see a generic set of metric p-handle hex wrenches with ball-ends on the long sides. (this would be great if it weren't torx)
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Ruberad,
You won't ever look back:
L-Wrenches - Ball End
and
T-Handles
I carry this with me on my bike bag. Wonderful tool!
Fold Ups
Professional quality tools for the same price (sometimes cheaper) than Park's comparable tools.
Harbor Freight is cheap but also junk.
You won't ever look back:
L-Wrenches - Ball End
and
T-Handles
I carry this with me on my bike bag. Wonderful tool!
Fold Ups
Professional quality tools for the same price (sometimes cheaper) than Park's comparable tools.
Harbor Freight is cheap but also junk.
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From: St Peters, Missouri
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I used to have one but never used it because it was faster and easier to tilt the bike on my workstand til the front wheel pointed straight. I think that I gave it away when one of the 50+ guys mentioned his wife needed one so she could fit her bike into her car more easily.
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I used to have one but never used it because it was faster and easier to tilt the bike on my workstand til the front wheel pointed straight. I think that I gave it away when one of the 50+ guys mentioned his wife needed one so she could fit her bike into her car more easily.
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From: New Hampshire
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I have a "Wrench Force" (Trek's former house brand) handlebar holder that came with my Wrench Force labeled Ultimate work stand. It's a telescoping small diameter aluminum rod with a rubber strap at each end. The rod is adjustable for length and the rubber straps wrap around the seatpost at one end and the handlebar at the other. It works well, can fit a variety of bikes and, since the length is adjustable, it can be set to hold the front wheel at any angle you want. I find it very useful.
That's the one I have as well (though it has an Ultimate sticker on it). They're convenient when assembling a new bike, though I rarely use it on an assembled bike. Probably because the front wheel adds enough weight that even a slight forward tilt give the front end a self-centering effect and keeps the handlebars stable.
One thing I've use mine for occasionally is centering saddles. Just lay the rod in the "split" (if it's an ergonomic saddle), then rotate until it's parallel with the top tube.
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I used to have one but never used it because it was faster and easier to tilt the bike on my workstand til the front wheel pointed straight. I think that I gave it away when one of the 50+ guys mentioned his wife needed one so she could fit her bike into her car more easily.
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#69
Sorry, can't think of any worthless tools.
My most annoying tool is the Park Tool Campagnolo cassette tool. It needs a 1 inch wrench! So I got a Sears 1 inch to 1/2 socket. Then it slipped off the first time, half mangling the teeth. So I had to remove the quick release, apply the cassette tool, then put the quick release back on over the tool to hold it down. Grrr.

I got a Crombie cassette tool, and it's so easy. Leave the quick release on the wheel! A moderate pull on the Crombie is just about the right torque for the cassette. I'll switch cassettes just for one ride, it's so fast.
5 sets of Hex wrenches
I like my Park Y wrench, and use it often when there's room for it.
But I also have:
a set of loose L wrenches, for tight spaces.
a folding set of wrenches--but why can't they make these so the wrench arms won't flop all over?
And a set of hex bits for my small torque wrench
and
screwdriver handled wrenches in 3,4,5 mm sizes. These are great for assembly or disassembly, it's fast to spin the bolt in this way, and easier to get the bolts started correctly. But I usually need another wrench to do the final tightening.
similar to:
My most annoying tool is the Park Tool Campagnolo cassette tool. It needs a 1 inch wrench! So I got a Sears 1 inch to 1/2 socket. Then it slipped off the first time, half mangling the teeth. So I had to remove the quick release, apply the cassette tool, then put the quick release back on over the tool to hold it down. Grrr.
I got a Crombie cassette tool, and it's so easy. Leave the quick release on the wheel! A moderate pull on the Crombie is just about the right torque for the cassette. I'll switch cassettes just for one ride, it's so fast.
5 sets of Hex wrenches
I like my Park Y wrench, and use it often when there's room for it.
But I also have:
a set of loose L wrenches, for tight spaces.
a folding set of wrenches--but why can't they make these so the wrench arms won't flop all over?
And a set of hex bits for my small torque wrench
and
screwdriver handled wrenches in 3,4,5 mm sizes. These are great for assembly or disassembly, it's fast to spin the bolt in this way, and easier to get the bolts started correctly. But I usually need another wrench to do the final tightening.
similar to:
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Sorry, can't think of any worthless tools.
My most annoying tool is the Park Tool Campagnolo cassette tool. It needs a 1 inch wrench! So I got a Sears 1 inch to 1/2 socket. Then it slipped off the first time, half mangling the teeth. So I had to remove the quick release, apply the cassette tool, then put the quick release back on over the tool to hold it down. Grrr.

My most annoying tool is the Park Tool Campagnolo cassette tool. It needs a 1 inch wrench! So I got a Sears 1 inch to 1/2 socket. Then it slipped off the first time, half mangling the teeth. So I had to remove the quick release, apply the cassette tool, then put the quick release back on over the tool to hold it down. Grrr.
https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DW2294-...rch_detailpage
Slightly cheaper than buying a $50 tool to do this job.
Or, you know, just use a Crescent wrench.
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I've got a FSA afterburner crankset/bottom-bracket that requires a 7mm. The only one I have is a little cap that fits on top of a 6mm allen, it's from my Nashbar Woody multitool. To torque that thing up hard like it needs, I put the cap on my 6mm L-wrench, which is about 3-4 inches long, and put the handle of my car jack over that. That gives me like an 18" lever to work with.
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