How specific are cables to a groupset?
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How specific are cables to a groupset?
Probably a dumb question but looking at replacement shift and brake cables, I see Shimano offers an Ultregra set, Dura-Ace set, etc, and also a universal set.
What is the difference? Is it just a quality level or something related to how they fit to the different components?
What is the difference? Is it just a quality level or something related to how they fit to the different components?
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Probably a dumb question but looking at replacement shift and brake cables, I see Shimano offers an Ultregra set, Dura-Ace set, etc, and also a universal set.
What is the difference? Is it just a quality level or something related to how they fit to the different components?
What is the difference? Is it just a quality level or something related to how they fit to the different components?
and it's not just the cables, the CASINGS are usually different, too.
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All cables are not created equal. But I've never come across any that are specific to a groupset. Campy have slightly smaller anchor "buttons". Road and MTB (well, flat bar...) brakes use different anchor buttons. I seem to remember some DT shifters with a different shape/orientation than the others. Like a flat bar brake but smaller.
Brake cables are different from shifter cables.
The rest is optional.
Die-drawn?
Teflon-coated?
Stainless?
Galvanized?
They all have their pros and cons, and the difference is rarely critical.
Brake cables are different from shifter cables.
The rest is optional.
Die-drawn?
Teflon-coated?
Stainless?
Galvanized?
They all have their pros and cons, and the difference is rarely critical.
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The difference is in the materials used to make them. The upper levels probably use stainless cables over galvanized ones, and the probably use nicer housings as well.
However, with that said, I always use the cheap ones because regardless of how nice they are, water still gets in there and I generally replace them every year anyway.
However, with that said, I always use the cheap ones because regardless of how nice they are, water still gets in there and I generally replace them every year anyway.
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Google shows ultegra and Dura ace both show OT-SP41 and polymer coated (inner) I suspect the outer isn't anything different than the standard shimano SIS-SP41 lined outer.
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Campy shift cables have slightly smaller heads than Shimano's and using Shimano size cables in Campy brifters can lead to a nasty jam that very difficult to remove in the future. Other than that and within a given brand, the cables are interchangeable.
BTW, if you do get a Shimano or Jagwire teflon coated cables, be sure to scrape away the coating where the derailleur pinch bolt goes. Otherwise I promise you it will slip and the shifting will get unreliable until you clean it off and reclamp.
BTW, if you do get a Shimano or Jagwire teflon coated cables, be sure to scrape away the coating where the derailleur pinch bolt goes. Otherwise I promise you it will slip and the shifting will get unreliable until you clean it off and reclamp.
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Thanks for all the replies and information....especially about scraping off the coating at the pinch bolt. Just the thing that I would not have thought to do.
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The difference is in the materials used to make them. The upper levels probably use stainless cables over galvanized ones, and the probably use nicer housings as well.
However, with that said, I always use the cheap ones because regardless of how nice they are, water still gets in there and I generally replace them every year anyway.
However, with that said, I always use the cheap ones because regardless of how nice they are, water still gets in there and I generally replace them every year anyway.
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No, but Dura-Ace and Ultegra Di2 do.
So long as the signal gets successfully transmitted to the derailleur, it'll shift exactly the same regardless of whether the wire is silver or copper. Not that you have a choice anyway, since Shimano doesn't sell Di2 e-tube wires in different configurations; just different lengths.
(Some people claim to hear a difference between silver and copper wire on analog circuits like speakers. I don't buy it. Neither does my oscilloscope. And it makes literally zero difference in a digital circuit where the signal is binary. Ones and zeroes are ones and zeroes, regardless of the transmission medium.)
(Some people claim to hear a difference between silver and copper wire on analog circuits like speakers. I don't buy it. Neither does my oscilloscope. And it makes literally zero difference in a digital circuit where the signal is binary. Ones and zeroes are ones and zeroes, regardless of the transmission medium.)
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No, but Dura-Ace and Ultegra Di2 do.
So long as the signal gets successfully transmitted to the derailleur, it'll shift exactly the same regardless of whether the wire is silver or copper. Not that you have a choice anyway, since Shimano doesn't sell Di2 e-tube wires in different configurations; just different lengths.
So long as the signal gets successfully transmitted to the derailleur, it'll shift exactly the same regardless of whether the wire is silver or copper. Not that you have a choice anyway, since Shimano doesn't sell Di2 e-tube wires in different configurations; just different lengths.
Will the cheap Shimano wire oxidize and fail?
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So long as the signal gets successfully transmitted to the derailleur, it'll shift exactly the same regardless of whether the wire is silver or copper. Not that you have a choice anyway, since Shimano doesn't sell Di2 e-tube wires in different configurations; just different lengths.
(Some people claim to hear a difference between silver and copper wire on analog circuits like speakers. I don't buy it. Neither does my oscilloscope. And it makes literally zero difference in a digital circuit where the signal is binary. Ones and zeroes are ones and zeroes, regardless of the transmission medium.)
(Some people claim to hear a difference between silver and copper wire on analog circuits like speakers. I don't buy it. Neither does my oscilloscope. And it makes literally zero difference in a digital circuit where the signal is binary. Ones and zeroes are ones and zeroes, regardless of the transmission medium.)
That said, there is a significant market for absurdly priced "premium" connector and speaker wires for sound systems among the naive. P.T. Barnum's 1st law is alive and well; "There is a sucker born every minute."
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I think (hope) Barabaika really knows that only DI2 groups use electric wires and that he was also kidding about the silver and gold wire sets. At least I'll give him credit for being facetious until he proves otherwise.
That said, there is a significant market for absurdly priced "premium" connector and speaker wires for sound systems among the naive. P.T. Barnum's 1st law is alive and well; "There is a sucker born every minute."
That said, there is a significant market for absurdly priced "premium" connector and speaker wires for sound systems among the naive. P.T. Barnum's 1st law is alive and well; "There is a sucker born every minute."
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(Some people claim to hear a difference between silver and copper wire on analog circuits like speakers. I don't buy it. Neither does my oscilloscope. And it makes literally zero difference in a digital circuit where the signal is binary. Ones and zeroes are ones and zeroes, regardless of the transmission medium.)
As for the Audio stuff, i'm puzzled. I myself am an engineer by trade and kid myself to be not easily bull****ted in matters techncal, and for a long time i was among those who believed those expensive speaker cables were sucker baits.
Then a friend of mine who is a hardcore audiophile told me he *could* identify the difference in quality between an already not-so-cheap set of speaker cables and a very good one both in a blindtest at the shop and at home with his own set, so he bought them (and being a social worker, he has no money to throw away). I know him as a very rational guy. So i'm really looking forward to the test he offered me as a sceptic - haven't got around to it yet.
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Then your results are different from mine. I neglected to remove the coating from the first cable of this type I had and shifting began to slip after a couple of rides. I readjusted it, tightened the clamp bolt even tighter, and the same thing happened. Finally, I scrapped off the coating and the shifting has remained stable ever since. And, yes, I do know how to tighten the clamp bolts and have never had any problems with any other type of cable or these after removing the coating under the bolt.
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Try using a 20 year old cable and housing on a modern 9 or 10 speed and you'd see much different results. Cables and housings are cheap. Once a year IS probably a bit overkill, but it's ~$15 a year to make sure my shifting is dead on and not have to touch it for the rest of the year.
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Yes, old bikes can use their cables for longer because the indexing (if present) is much less picky.
Try using a 20 year old cable and housing on a modern 9 or 10 speed and you'd see much different results. Cables and housings are cheap. Once a year IS probably a bit overkill, but it's ~$15 a year to make sure my shifting is dead on and not have to touch it for the rest of the year.
Try using a 20 year old cable and housing on a modern 9 or 10 speed and you'd see much different results. Cables and housings are cheap. Once a year IS probably a bit overkill, but it's ~$15 a year to make sure my shifting is dead on and not have to touch it for the rest of the year.
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Cables actually stretch after they are installed, and you have to tweak the derailleur settings for a couple weeks afterwards.
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I personally don't do it, cause I know how to use a barrel adjuster and can adjust while I'm riding.
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