Permanent tire boot on compromised sidewall
04-29-17, 02:50 AM
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Permanent tire boot on compromised sidewall
Want to be safe but also don't want to toss out a salvageable tire. Is this a good permanent fix?
No visible bulge. Can double check again in the morning
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No visible bulge. Can double check again in the morning
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04-29-17, 04:24 AM
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I used a boot on one like that.
It lasted 300 miles.
It lasted 300 miles.
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04-29-17, 04:36 AM
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I've patched tire sidewalls using nylon cloth saturated and glued in place with Liqui-Sole. Those have lasted the rest of the natural life of the tire.
04-29-17, 06:00 AM
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Maybe not permanent. Park Tool boots last a long time, but on a GP 4000, which lasts a longer time, the boot will need to be replaced eventually.
04-29-17, 10:20 AM
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I would never ride a booted tire other than to get home. But that's just me. The peace of mind is too important to me.
04-29-17, 10:53 AM
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Hold on there, Baba Looey*! If the only thing that's damaged is the rubber coating the fiber ply, you could be good to go a ways with that tire. If the fibers are cut, I'd be less sanguine about using the thing except for emergency "get home" duty that SquidPuppet cited. The fibers contain the pressure, and so the fact that its not bulging suggests that the fiber integrity is still there. While no number of dollars are sufficient to take risks, if the fiber ply is not compromised, it IS a 60 dollar tire.
Your choice, though. Your risk as well.
*If you get the reference, you're pretty old.
Your choice, though. Your risk as well.
*If you get the reference, you're pretty old.
04-29-17, 10:55 AM
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I used a piece of plastic soda bottle and Gorilla tape on a Panaracer Pasela and rode it until the tire needed to be replaced anyway.
04-29-17, 12:58 PM
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Want to be safe but also don't want to toss out a salvageable tire. Is this a good permanent fix?
No visible bulge. Can double check again in the morning
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No visible bulge. Can double check again in the morning
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Replace the damn tire.
04-29-17, 04:00 PM
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I'll pump it up to 120 and leave it for a few days. If it stays good, which I suspect it will, I'll start riding it, and checking it before every ride. I expect there to be a significant bulge before something catastrophic happens.
04-29-17, 04:08 PM
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I share SquidPuppet's sentiments when it comes to a booted tire. It's good for the ride home but I like piece of mind knowing the tire on my bike is in good condition down the sidewall. A booted tire at best is a temporary tire only. Piece of mind is important to me as well. JMHO
04-29-17, 07:37 PM
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Surprise Surprise, not ... ANOTHER failure on a crap Conti tire. Par for their course. Pffft
I have 7 year old Schwalbe tires with 8,000 miles. ZERO cracks.
I have 7 year old Schwalbe tires with 8,000 miles. ZERO cracks.
04-30-17, 05:15 PM
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Its some times hard to swallow the bitter pill and throw an investment away that does not live to its expected life.
Low end Conti Sports are soft grippy, cheap and short lived.
If I were on a fixed income, I might try the soda bottle gorilla tape mentioned above, and move it to the back. Especially if it were a casual/occasional use bike. So it depends on you and this bike.
But for primary transportation, or fast sport, I would swallow the bitter pill and throw it away (and I have and it hurts).
But then you can ride with confidence.
FWIW..I used to buy the cheapest tires, but it is poor economy if you ride alot, good tires are an excellent place to put your money.
Just recently replaced some Conti sports (after several easy cuts) with Conti gator skins on a sport bike. But I run heavy slow (but tough and long wearing) Schwalbe Marathons on the daily commuter.
Low end Conti Sports are soft grippy, cheap and short lived.
If I were on a fixed income, I might try the soda bottle gorilla tape mentioned above, and move it to the back. Especially if it were a casual/occasional use bike. So it depends on you and this bike.
But for primary transportation, or fast sport, I would swallow the bitter pill and throw it away (and I have and it hurts).
But then you can ride with confidence.
FWIW..I used to buy the cheapest tires, but it is poor economy if you ride alot, good tires are an excellent place to put your money.
Just recently replaced some Conti sports (after several easy cuts) with Conti gator skins on a sport bike. But I run heavy slow (but tough and long wearing) Schwalbe Marathons on the daily commuter.
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04-30-17, 05:51 PM
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I have booted torn tires with 1/32" reinforced rubber gasket material meant for piping and been able to ride them until they wore out. I always run them on the rear even though I have not had a failure.
04-30-17, 06:56 PM
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I would not ride that tire. It just isn't worth it. Toss it, and get a replacement tire. How did you blow the sidewall out? Avoid doing that again.
05-01-17, 06:45 AM
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I will never understand the reasoning behind the mentality of saving a questionable tire ($30 value?) over personal safety.....
It is one thing to patch a questionable tire to get you home, but utterly uncalled for in a "continued use" scenario.
Be safe, toss the tire for a new one. A new tire is cheaper than doctor bills from a bike wreck.
It is one thing to patch a questionable tire to get you home, but utterly uncalled for in a "continued use" scenario.
Be safe, toss the tire for a new one. A new tire is cheaper than doctor bills from a bike wreck.
05-01-17, 09:28 AM
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How much is a trip to the ER going to cost you. To get you home fine but why even consider risking it? Get a new tire it's cheaper than teeth and skin.
05-01-17, 04:07 PM
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The other day I found a sidewall tear smaller than that (about as long, but just a slit, not a hole). I booted it with a strip of Gorilla tape, and will continue to ride.
The tires are schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50, I paid a lotta cheddar for those things, they're over 7000miles, but I'm not about to just throw them out.
Also though, at 2" wide, I only run about 35psi in that rear tire, so I'm not too worried it might assplode.
The tires are schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50, I paid a lotta cheddar for those things, they're over 7000miles, but I'm not about to just throw them out.
Also though, at 2" wide, I only run about 35psi in that rear tire, so I'm not too worried it might assplode.
05-01-17, 04:27 PM
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I will never understand the reasoning behind the mentality of saving a questionable tire ($30 value?) over personal safety.....
It is one thing to patch a questionable tire to get you home, but utterly uncalled for in a "continued use" scenario.
Be safe, toss the tire for a new one. A new tire is cheaper than doctor bills from a bike wreck.
It is one thing to patch a questionable tire to get you home, but utterly uncalled for in a "continued use" scenario.
Be safe, toss the tire for a new one. A new tire is cheaper than doctor bills from a bike wreck.
05-03-17, 08:30 AM
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The other day I found a sidewall tear smaller than that (about as long, but just a slit, not a hole). I booted it with a strip of Gorilla tape, and will continue to ride.
The tires are schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50, I paid a lotta cheddar for those things, they're over 7000miles, but I'm not about to just throw them out.
Also though, at 2" wide, I only run about 35psi in that rear tire, so I'm not too worried it might assplode.
The tires are schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50, I paid a lotta cheddar for those things, they're over 7000miles, but I'm not about to just throw them out.
Also though, at 2" wide, I only run about 35psi in that rear tire, so I'm not too worried it might assplode.
So I pulled that tire out of service, swapped in an old spare, and am more actively looking for new tires.
I guess I change my recommendation for you, that tire is done, get rid of it, unless you can find some kind of rigid plastic boot that will stay in place and not puncture your tube.
05-03-17, 08:39 AM
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I tried a Park tire boot as a permanent fix on a tire with a fairly small cut. The boot is too stiff, and the edge cut through my tube after a few more rides. (Park does say that it's a temporary fix only!)
On another thread, a comment mentioned using sailcloth, wrapped bead-to-bead. That's about the only method that would actually work and be permanent.
On another thread, a comment mentioned using sailcloth, wrapped bead-to-bead. That's about the only method that would actually work and be permanent.
...snip...
The bills are just to get me home. THen I do a full repair with sailcloth (ask any sailmaker for some dacron sailcloth appropriate for dingies -a foot or so of scrap probably won't cost you anything and it is A-1 first class patching material for permanent tire casing repairs, even large ones). Cut the boot oversize. I often go bead to bead and and inch or more beyond the cut. Glue in with contractor's contact cement. (The stuff with real warning re: fumes. Take the warnings seriously.) This will last as long as the rest of the tire except that taking the tire on and off tends to be hard on the gluing and will sometimes need to have the edges glued down again. Sailcloth matches the feel and performance of tires really well and you will not notice it at all riding.
I regularly ride tires to the end of the tread with cuts early on that many posters here would tell me to scrap. I like riding $75 tires. I cannot afford to just toss them because something happened at 500 miles. Tires that get cut go into a pile. About once a year, I pull out the sailcloth and glue and go at it. Then I have a stack of nice tires for a while. (And to Demon Cyclist - using bills is just a low interest loan, it doesn't actually cost anything. They are completely usable later (and will do even better run through the laundry if needed).
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The bills are just to get me home. THen I do a full repair with sailcloth (ask any sailmaker for some dacron sailcloth appropriate for dingies -a foot or so of scrap probably won't cost you anything and it is A-1 first class patching material for permanent tire casing repairs, even large ones). Cut the boot oversize. I often go bead to bead and and inch or more beyond the cut. Glue in with contractor's contact cement. (The stuff with real warning re: fumes. Take the warnings seriously.) This will last as long as the rest of the tire except that taking the tire on and off tends to be hard on the gluing and will sometimes need to have the edges glued down again. Sailcloth matches the feel and performance of tires really well and you will not notice it at all riding.
I regularly ride tires to the end of the tread with cuts early on that many posters here would tell me to scrap. I like riding $75 tires. I cannot afford to just toss them because something happened at 500 miles. Tires that get cut go into a pile. About once a year, I pull out the sailcloth and glue and go at it. Then I have a stack of nice tires for a while. (And to Demon Cyclist - using bills is just a low interest loan, it doesn't actually cost anything. They are completely usable later (and will do even better run through the laundry if needed).
Ben
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I tried a Park tire boot as a permanent fix on a tire with a fairly small cut. The boot is too stiff, and the edge cut through my tube after a few more rides. (Park does say that it's a temporary fix only!)
On another thread, a comment mentioned using sailcloth, wrapped bead-to-bead. That's about the only method that would actually work and be permanent.
On another thread, a comment mentioned using sailcloth, wrapped bead-to-bead. That's about the only method that would actually work and be permanent.
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You live "inside your body". If that body happens to reside near a sailmaker, you could visit them and ask for a scrap of small boat jib dacron sailcloth. Glue a nice big patch of that sailcloth to the inside of the tire cord with contractor's contact cement, the stuff countertop laminates are glued down with and that no human should breath.
After that, you may have to re-glue after the tire has come on and off a few times but except for that, the repair is permanent.
Edit: I see I unwittingly near plagerized myself.
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After that, you may have to re-glue after the tire has come on and off a few times but except for that, the repair is permanent.
Edit: I see I unwittingly near plagerized myself.
Ben
