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For Those Who Have Wondered About Dishing
02-22-18, 08:44 PM
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I voted "no." Plenty of click bait/ spam out there already. Good luck with the sale, nevertheless.
02-22-18, 09:09 PM
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Unsolicited info, no.
But if someone asks a relevant question, answer away.
But if someone asks a relevant question, answer away.
02-22-18, 10:14 PM
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This is info at a pretty basic level. Perhaps good for a glossary... but not info I'm hunting for.
02-23-18, 07:37 AM
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Overall, BF as a whole and the Mechanics Forum especially are rather technically advanced. This information is too dumbed-down to be useful for most of us. As a "what is dish and why is it significant?," it's fine. But it doesn't go far enough to help the ambitious amateur learn and stretch, or to fill in the blanks for professionals who may want a refresher or to find a good way to explain a concept to trainees, for example.
Nice pictures, however!
This is nowhere near a substitute for the Sheldon Brown or Jobst Brandt archives or the Lennard Zinn handbooks.
I don't like it at this elementary level and don't think this is useful for most users. I agree with having an easy way on BF to look up excellent, deep, and comprehensive information on bicycles, mechanics, engineering, physics, repair and maintenance.
So I'm a "yes," but only if you up the game considerably.
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02-23-18, 07:43 AM
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I tell Ya,,,, if he is serious I think that he is coming a little late to the wheel party....
02-23-18, 08:07 AM
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02-23-18, 08:36 AM
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Ok, this is the first one I've noticed. I gather I haven't missed a lot!
02-23-18, 11:37 AM
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I agree, and it already exists. At the top of the Mechanics forum, the very first sticky (as it should be) is "SheldonBrown,com Shortcuts".
02-23-18, 11:41 AM
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Another "not a fan" vote. As noted, the information is elementary and available lots of other places. It contributes little of use here.
02-23-18, 12:01 PM
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Greater the frame area of the Dish around intricately arranged, food , the more posh the restaurant..
02-23-18, 12:25 PM
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I find myself repeatedly going back to the Sheldon Brown website. I'm glad that it has been maintained after he has passed.
Other people have pointed out general information on the the Park Tools website. Both websites offer plenty of details, and in some case good photos, and are good for the intermediate bike mechanic, and contain a lot of good reference material.
I suppose, if I look up threaded vs threadless headset, a quick summary might be nice, but it is also good to see all the common headset standards listed from Italian to French to BMX to JIS.
Then perhaps seeing some links and photos for all the different headset types including a few hidden/integrated headsets.
In the above case, "Dishing" is fine. A good definition. But, one might also discuss spokes, spoke lengths, off-center/asymmetric rims, crossed/radial & mixed lacing, different numbers of right & left spokes, DISC BRAKES, etc.
Other people have pointed out general information on the the Park Tools website. Both websites offer plenty of details, and in some case good photos, and are good for the intermediate bike mechanic, and contain a lot of good reference material.
I suppose, if I look up threaded vs threadless headset, a quick summary might be nice, but it is also good to see all the common headset standards listed from Italian to French to BMX to JIS.
Then perhaps seeing some links and photos for all the different headset types including a few hidden/integrated headsets.
In the above case, "Dishing" is fine. A good definition. But, one might also discuss spokes, spoke lengths, off-center/asymmetric rims, crossed/radial & mixed lacing, different numbers of right & left spokes, DISC BRAKES, etc.
02-23-18, 12:32 PM
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Dishes on bikes are like dishes in restaurants. They BREAK. LOL
Get a Rohloff.
Get a Rohloff.
02-23-18, 12:51 PM
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Not only is this info of minimal use considering all the other sources available, it’s poorly written to boot.
“…the hub flange on the right-hand side is offset toward the center of the hub” makes no sense. The flange is not offset anywhere, but rather the extra spacing on the right, whether from spacers to accommodate a freewheel or from a freehub, creates the need to move the rim closer to the right-hand flange so that the rim is centered in the frame. Info that is wrong is even less useful than that which is redundant
“…the hub flange on the right-hand side is offset toward the center of the hub” makes no sense. The flange is not offset anywhere, but rather the extra spacing on the right, whether from spacers to accommodate a freewheel or from a freehub, creates the need to move the rim closer to the right-hand flange so that the rim is centered in the frame. Info that is wrong is even less useful than that which is redundant
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02-23-18, 01:44 PM
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02-25-18, 01:28 AM
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Not only is this info of minimal use considering all the other sources available, it’s poorly written to boot.
“…the hub flange on the right-hand side is offset toward the center of the hub” makes no sense. The flange is not offset anywhere, but rather the extra spacing on the right, whether from spacers to accommodate a freewheel or from a freehub, creates the need to move the rim closer to the right-hand flange so that the rim is centered in the frame. Info that is wrong is even less useful than that which is redundant
“…the hub flange on the right-hand side is offset toward the center of the hub” makes no sense. The flange is not offset anywhere, but rather the extra spacing on the right, whether from spacers to accommodate a freewheel or from a freehub, creates the need to move the rim closer to the right-hand flange so that the rim is centered in the frame. Info that is wrong is even less useful than that which is redundant
Quoted sentence is technically correct, and a relatively easy to explain, especially from the provided picture. It is the difference of left and right flange distance from the centre of the hub that requires dishing compensation (even if the frame and/or rim hole positions make the rim less severely off centre, which is the case on some bikes).
The explanation you provided is also correct. You can look at it both ways.
02-25-18, 07:12 AM
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Is my head higher than my shoulders, or are the shoulders lower than the head?
Quoted sentence is technically correct, and a relatively easy to explain, especially from the provided picture. It is the difference of left and right flange distance from the centre of the hub that requires dishing compensation (even if the frame and/or rim hole positions make the rim less severely off centre, which is the case on some bikes).
The explanation you provided is also correct. You can look at it both ways.
Quoted sentence is technically correct, and a relatively easy to explain, especially from the provided picture. It is the difference of left and right flange distance from the centre of the hub that requires dishing compensation (even if the frame and/or rim hole positions make the rim less severely off centre, which is the case on some bikes).
The explanation you provided is also correct. You can look at it both ways.
To be fair, although Sheldon's glossary entry for dish is clear at one point - "the spokes attach to flanges which are not symmetrical about the centerline", the rest of that sentence is not much better than that above - "..the right flange is usually closer to the centerline than the left flange, to make room for the sprocket(s)." Sheldon at least gives enough explanation so as to be clear and helpful overall.
To be honest, I'm probably mostly annoyed at these little snippets that have very little utility on the forum. Others have made it clear they are similarly affected, so I had stopped posting responses.
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02-25-18, 09:51 AM
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I used it as one example of the OP's awkward, incomplete and inaccurate explanations. The text says that the right-hand flange is offset toward the center of the hub in order to make room for the sprockets - as if there were a choice. It is where it has to be - it can't be further to the right on the hub.
I was immediately stopped when I first read the sentence precisely because it was confusing. I could have just as well noted his instruction to place the dishing gauge where "the axle contacts the dropout", as it's the locknut face, not the axle that is the reference point. The axle contacts the dropout from the locknut face to the end of the axle.
To be fair, although Sheldon's glossary entry for dish is clear at one point - "the spokes attach to flanges which are not symmetrical about the centerline", the rest of that sentence is not much better than that above - "..the right flange is usually closer to the centerline than the left flange, to make room for the sprocket(s)." Sheldon at least gives enough explanation so as to be clear and helpful overall.
To be honest, I'm probably mostly annoyed at these little snippets that have very little utility on the forum. Others have made it clear they are similarly affected, so I had stopped posting responses.
To be fair, although Sheldon's glossary entry for dish is clear at one point - "the spokes attach to flanges which are not symmetrical about the centerline", the rest of that sentence is not much better than that above - "..the right flange is usually closer to the centerline than the left flange, to make room for the sprocket(s)." Sheldon at least gives enough explanation so as to be clear and helpful overall.
To be honest, I'm probably mostly annoyed at these little snippets that have very little utility on the forum. Others have made it clear they are similarly affected, so I had stopped posting responses.
02-25-18, 09:56 AM
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It could be if there were no sporckets. Maybe it's a language barrier, but I don't understand your point?
For me it is clear. You can explain it in several ways, this explanation is as good as any IMO.
Modern hubs don't have locknuts, maybe that is why a bit "awkward" term was used to explain it. I agree that part is not the best - but it is short.
For me it is clear. You can explain it in several ways, this explanation is as good as any IMO.
Modern hubs don't have locknuts, maybe that is why a bit "awkward" term was used to explain it. I agree that part is not the best - but it is short.
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