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daviddavieboy 04-28-19 04:19 AM

Rookie mistake
 
Have you ever done something so many times before just to find you overlook a simple detail? I built up two wheels with straight gauge spokes (3x lacing) and high flange hubs. On a climb noticed a ping from the rear wheel. Upon inspection I found I didn't run the spoke behind on the 2nd cross and the pinging was a spoke touching the derailleur. When I got home I removed the rear tubular tire and rebuilt that rim. My question is is it necessary to rebuild the front as well where there is no torque being applied to the rim to cause the spokes to slacken?
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HerrKaLeun 04-28-19 07:00 AM

I once made a similar mistake. But I noticed it during lacing and redid my work.

It will teach you a lesson to correct both. I can't tell the exact problems your front wheel may encounter, but there is a reason the right way is the right way.

Andrew R Stewart 04-28-19 09:06 AM

There's no need to have the spokes interlacing. Many wheels have been built this way and worked just fine. Andy

fietsbob 04-28-19 09:21 AM

Tying and Soldering the last cross has been Done ..

WizardOfBoz 04-28-19 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 20904519)
Tying and Soldering the last cross has been Done ..

Hasn't that approach been shown to be voodoo (that is, tying/soldering has no effect on performance except to add weight?).

fietsbob 04-28-19 10:40 AM

If it cures his noise problem , whats the issue ?

Rick 04-28-19 10:47 AM

The wheel is laterally stronger when laced correctly.

ridingfool 04-28-19 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz (Post 20904621)
Hasn't that approach been shown to be voodoo (that is, tying/soldering has no effect on performance except to add weight?).

Can't be a bad aprroice if that's how meilestien does there wheels at about six thousand bucks for a set must have some merrit

WizardOfBoz 04-28-19 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 20904634)
If it cures his noise problem , whats the issue ?

The OP stated that the noise came from the spoke hitting the RD. My take (and I could be wrong) is that adding wire and solder to the spoke doesn't affect that issue and may exacerbate it - the soldered joint may project even more. I guess the wire job could pull the spoke out of the way slightly, though. But reading Mr. Brandts' comments it seems that he said that the tying and soldering didn't add any stiffness but it didn't take any stiffness away.. So if it didn't hit the RD it probably wouldn't hurt anything. I think that the OP's solution (to relace the rear wheel) was more effective.

I agree with Andrew that the overlap would not be needed on a front wheel with rim brakes.


Originally Posted by ridingfool (Post 20904683)
Can't be a bad aprroice if that's how meilestien does there wheels at about six thousand bucks for a set must have some merrit

Disagree. Just because some company uses 100 year old manufacturing practices that have since been pretty much proven ineffective, does NOT mean that those practices are good ones. They may be good marketing. They may attract a certain type of customer. But it does not mean that the practice has technical merit. (Also, in looking at Meilestein's website, I don't see any of their current wheels with tied/soldered spokes. But I might have missed something: its a pretty screwed up site IMHO).

I could just as easily flip your point around and say that given that Campagnolo and Shimano and Bontrager and Zipp and Cofidis and Enve don't wrap and solder their spokes,it is likely that the practice adds no value (and adds weight).

Jobst Brandt did a test:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/tied-soldered.html
with commentary here:
https://yarchive.net/bike/tying-and-soldering.html

Jon T 04-28-19 02:26 PM

The spoke gets "laced" at the third cross, not the second as alluded to in the OP.
Jon

daviddavieboy 04-28-19 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 20904854)
The spoke gets "laced" at the third cross, not the second as alluded to in the OP.
Jon

Yes as you said, on the 3rd cross. The rear wheel re laced no longer makes any noise. I will probably do the front when the tire wears out. Thanks!!https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...246b2c065.jpeg

davidad 04-29-19 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by ridingfool (Post 20904683)
Can't be a bad aprroice if that's how meilestien does there wheels at about six thousand bucks for a set must have some merrit

Superstition reigns.


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