Strange hexagonal BB axle
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Vaguely. I temember these as coming on relatively low end bikes from Germany, or elsewhere in northern Europe, in the late sixties and seventies. I sort of recall that it was something with an "H", like Heinemann or similar.
I hope that helps.
As I said, it's been a long while, but if you don't have the crank, I suspect that you won't find one easily.
I hope that helps.
As I said, it's been a long while, but if you don't have the crank, I suspect that you won't find one easily.
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There is a BB spindle on eBay with hexagonal ends Don't think it's quite the same as yours. But you might finds some hints in it's description to get you started googling for more info.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284486113024
. However I wouldn't have any issue tossing that one in your bike and putting something more normal in it. Assuming the BB shell matches some standard in common use today. If not, I'd toss the bike to the recycling scrap yard too.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284486113024
. However I wouldn't have any issue tossing that one in your bike and putting something more normal in it. Assuming the BB shell matches some standard in common use today. If not, I'd toss the bike to the recycling scrap yard too.
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I, too, have seen this type of crank/axle fitting. And like Francis I can't remember the brand or model names (although seem to think it was on a BMX/Freestyle bike) and agree with the speculation of not finding a replacement. If you pull the BB there might be some info marked on it. Andy
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Apparently suntour made a hexagonal one called Hexon.
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SR-Suntou.../dp/B002NN7JVU
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SR-Suntou.../dp/B002NN7JVU
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Apparently SR Suntour (a different company from the original Suntour) made a hexagonal one called Hexon.
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SR-Suntou.../dp/B002NN7JVU
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SR-Suntou.../dp/B002NN7JVU
SR and actual Suntour are different companies, let's not get them confused. Maeda Industries went out of business and SR bought out the name.
SunXCD was founded by the former President of SunTour so it really has the lineage from SunTour
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Apparently suntour made a hexagonal one called Hexon.
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SR-Suntou.../dp/B002NN7JVU
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/SR-Suntou.../dp/B002NN7JVU
So not sure what is going with the conflicting info.
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You have to be careful with Amazon's descriptions of a lot of products. Many are improperly described and you have to know exactly what you are looking for. Bicycle components seem particularly prone to incorrect descriptions.
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According to Frank Berto (see his "Sunset for Suntour" article), SR was bought out by Mori Industries (a Japanese steel tubing company) in 1989. In 1990, Mori bought out Madea SunTour, combining the two entities shortly thereafter. The resulting company was called SR SunTour (likely to make use of both SR's and SunTour's name recognition).
The bottom bracket under discussion in the Amazon link above was apparently made after Mori combined SR and SunTour. Given SunTour's extensive expertise with bottom brackets, I'd guess it was made by the old SunTour division - but that's only a guess.
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Um, no. SR never owned SunTour.
According to Frank Berto (see his "Sunset for Suntour" article), SR was bought out by Mori Industries (a Japanese steel tubing company) in 1989. In 1990, Mori bought out Madea SunTour, combining the two entities shortly thereafter. The resulting company was called SR SunTour (likely to make use of both SR's and SunTour's name recognition).
The bottom bracket under discussion in the Amazon link above was apparently made after Mori combined SR and SunTour. Given SunTour's extensive expertise with bottom brackets, I'd guess it was made by the old SunTour division - but that's only a guess.
According to Frank Berto (see his "Sunset for Suntour" article), SR was bought out by Mori Industries (a Japanese steel tubing company) in 1989. In 1990, Mori bought out Madea SunTour, combining the two entities shortly thereafter. The resulting company was called SR SunTour (likely to make use of both SR's and SunTour's name recognition).
The bottom bracket under discussion in the Amazon link above was apparently made after Mori combined SR and SunTour. Given SunTour's extensive expertise with bottom brackets, I'd guess it was made by the old SunTour division - but that's only a guess.
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Um, no. SR never owned SunTour.
According to Frank Berto (see his "Sunset for Suntour" article), SR was bought out by Mori Industries (a Japanese steel tubing company) in 1989. In 1990, Mori bought out Madea SunTour, combining the two entities shortly thereafter. The resulting company was called SR SunTour (likely to make use of both SR's and SunTour's name recognition).
The bottom bracket under discussion in the Amazon link above was apparently made after Mori combined SR and SunTour. Given SunTour's extensive expertise with bottom brackets, I'd guess it was made by the old SunTour division - but that's only a guess.
According to Frank Berto (see his "Sunset for Suntour" article), SR was bought out by Mori Industries (a Japanese steel tubing company) in 1989. In 1990, Mori bought out Madea SunTour, combining the two entities shortly thereafter. The resulting company was called SR SunTour (likely to make use of both SR's and SunTour's name recognition).
The bottom bracket under discussion in the Amazon link above was apparently made after Mori combined SR and SunTour. Given SunTour's extensive expertise with bottom brackets, I'd guess it was made by the old SunTour division - but that's only a guess.
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Unfortunately, the new SR SunTour management team either chose not to purchase (or were perhaps unable to purchase) SunTour's intellectual property, other facilities, and other tooling as part of the 1995 buy-out. Berto says Mori sold SunTour's remaining tooling for scrap (which included the tooling for the Superbe groupset) and sold the rest of SunTour's remaining facilities individually. He doesn't say what happened to the IP rights.
I did some further checking, and it appears that SR SunTour produced products using the Hexon crank interface as late as the early 2010s. (Unfortunately, I've been unable to determine when it first appeared.) Based on that fact, I'd guess you're probably correct in thinking it was developed after the 1995 management-buy-out vice something developed by the old Madea SunTour development team.
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You're most welcome. I especially enjoyed the late Paul Brodek's insider commentary at the end of that version of the article.
Got a copy of the latest edition of Berto's The Dancing Chain as a Christmas present. If the book is anywhere near as good as his "Sunset for Suntour" article, IMO it's worth every penny it might cost.
Got a copy of the latest edition of Berto's The Dancing Chain as a Christmas present. If the book is anywhere near as good as his "Sunset for Suntour" article, IMO it's worth every penny it might cost.
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But you'd mused earlier and thought it strange......
In general it seems like a strange move to go for a hexagonal axle like that. Only works with 6-sided cranks and square axles have been the norm for 100 years or so.
The fact they didn't catch on shows that other designs for the spindle and crank arm interface were better than just the hexagonal. ISIS and Octalink being very common today.
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Old thread, but kid came today with an old Tony Hawk 20'' bike that needed a left hexagon crank arm, and a search led me here. Anyway, while I later found one currently on Ebay (RARE Hexagon/6 sided spindle Left Crank Arm, from St. John's, Newfoundland) for about $45, he had no $ to spend anyway, and I replaced it with a one piece crank from an old one-piece single speed, same size chainwheel and bearings, and it works fine, for free (except for new pedals at cost), thank God.
Tthanks for the info on this thread, and may it help certain others come come looking for obscurity.
Tthanks for the info on this thread, and may it help certain others come come looking for obscurity.
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Perhaps not. Yes, more corners. But at 30 degree angle to rotation circumference. Square drive is 45 degrees, more oblique. Hex drive bolts had a nasty tendency to strip the corners off the head when trying to break loose aircraft bolts that had been on a while in humid Vietnam. The air force tasked Snap-On to work on the problem and they invented Flank-Drive, with corners of 6-point box wrenches and sockets relieved so that the drive force was a bit inboard from the hex corners, and it worked. You'll see it on other brand wrenches these days, either the patent expired or they paid a licensing fee.
12-point aircraft bolts still have the 30 degree drive angle, but 12 drive points overcomes that.
12-point aircraft bolts still have the 30 degree drive angle, but 12 drive points overcomes that.
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Perhaps not. Yes, more corners. But at 30 degree angle to rotation circumference. Square drive is 45 degrees, more oblique. Hex drive bolts had a nasty tendency to strip the corners off the head when trying to break loose aircraft bolts that had been on a while in humid Vietnam. The air force tasked Snap-On to work on the problem and they invented Flank-Drive, with corners of 6-point box wrenches and sockets relieved so that the drive force was a bit inboard from the hex corners, and it worked. You'll see it on other brand wrenches these days, either the patent expired or they paid a licensing fee.
12-point aircraft bolts still have the 30 degree drive angle, but 12 drive points overcomes that.
12-point aircraft bolts still have the 30 degree drive angle, but 12 drive points overcomes that.
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but i'm sure, if you look long and hard enough., you'll find someone willing to sell you some!
"Mil.Spec." is a MINIMUM requirement standard, and most similar parts are above that minimum.
please explain what a ' 5/16" x 9" bottom bracket bearing' is...
if you meant a 5/16" x 9 caged balls bearing, used primarily in low grade, one piece Ashtabula cranksets......
search Ebayt: Bicycle Bottom Bracket Bearing 5/16 x 9, Bike 1 Piece Bearings
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I have a box of new bolts in storage got cheap at a surplus sale and each individually packed with cardboard tube around shaft to prevent nicks, *grade 9*; Usually highest you find here is grade 8.



