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Expanded Range GRX
For reference I am building up a new adventure bike and wanted a wider range that was offered by stock GRX 2X systems. On this bike I have a 48-31 front chainrings and 11-40 rear cassette and it works brilliantly. I took a standard RD-810 rear derailleur and mounted a wolf tooth road link dm for extra clearance and also replaced the pulley cage with one from a XT mid range. It works and shifts perfectly with sufficient capacity to go from small-small to big-big without issues. It is clear that it would handle a 11-42 without problems as well. Just for reference if anyone is interested in increasing the range in their GRX bikes without any compromises.
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For reference I am building up a new adventure bike and wanted a wider range that was offered by stock GRX 2X systems. On this bike I have a 48-31 front chainrings and 11-40 rear cassette and it works brilliantly. I took a standard RD-810 rear derailleur and mounted a wolf tooth road link dm for extra clearance and also replaced the pulley cage with one from a XT mid range. It works and shifts perfectly with sufficient capacity to go from small-small to big-big without issues. It is clear that it would handle a 11-42 without problems as well. Just for reference if anyone is interested in increasing the range in their GRX bikes without any compromises.
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I now have an SLX 11-40T cassette on my touring bike with a GRX 46/30T crankset and GRX derailleurs. A small adjustment of the B-screw was all that was needed. I suspect I could have used an 11-42T cassette, but I didn't want to push my luck.
This makes the gearing viable for a fully-loaded touring bike. I took it for a loaded test ride today, and hopefully will have an extensive real-world test soon.
This makes the gearing viable for a fully-loaded touring bike. I took it for a loaded test ride today, and hopefully will have an extensive real-world test soon.
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I now have an SLX 11-40T cassette on my touring bike with a GRX 46/30T crankset and GRX derailleurs. A small adjustment of the B-screw was all that was needed. I suspect I could have used an 11-42T cassette, but I didn't want to push my luck.
This makes the gearing viable for a fully-loaded touring bike. I took it for a loaded test ride today, and hopefully will have an extensive real-world test soon.
This makes the gearing viable for a fully-loaded touring bike. I took it for a loaded test ride today, and hopefully will have an extensive real-world test soon.
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Are you also using a Wolf Tooth road link (like Atlas Shrugged)? Which GRX RD are you using: (a) RD-RX810 (for 2x front) or (b) RD-RX812 (for 1x front)?
I tried it after seeing this:
https://velonut.com/blog/shimano-grx...1-40t-cassette
which references this:
https://www.gravelcyclist.com/videos...-xtr-cassette/
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Is the big-big combo viable if you install a longer chain?
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FWIW, I also use a 36T cassette with my 2014 Ultegra derailleur rated at 32T with zero issues (again, just a B-screw adjustment).
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I request a moderator to make this thread a sticky in the gravel sub-forum.
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I have 3 Ultegra chains in reserve and all 3 are marked 126L; I wonder if I can go 11-42? Too much chain slack for the RD to take up?
I get why we should avoid big-big (i.e., noise and wear) but why would it work on the stand but not under load?
I get why we should avoid big-big (i.e., noise and wear) but why would it work on the stand but not under load?
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Have run big-big a numerous times under full load and no issues. It works good without the mods but notice it’s just not right. Once I put WolfTooth and swapped cages it shifts like factory across full range. Since I use mine for extended tours rather not stress the system. I also run 11-42 as well for some trips no issues.
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For reference I am building up a new adventure bike and wanted a wider range that was offered by stock GRX 2X systems. On this bike I have a 48-31 front chainrings and 11-40 rear cassette and it works brilliantly. I took a standard RD-810 rear derailleur and mounted a wolf tooth road link dm for extra clearance and also replaced the pulley cage with one from a XT mid range. It works and shifts perfectly with sufficient capacity to go from small-small to big-big without issues. It is clear that it would handle a 11-42 without problems as well. Just for reference if anyone is interested in increasing the range in their GRX bikes without any compromises.
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OK, gang, I have ordered an 11-speed XT 11-40 cassette for my GRX 2x drivetrain.
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I too am running the slx 11-40T rear cassette without the Wolf link and with a GRX 810 2x set up. Minor adjustment of the B-screw was all that was needed.
I really like the set up, I ride the gravel bike on quite a bit of terrain that would be better served with my XC mtb, so the 31-34 combo wasn't quite cutting it on some of the double-digit offroad climbs. I really liked the stock gearing everywhere else and was worried that the 11-40 would be too gappy, but that hasn't been the case. I don't use the 40t often, but it's really handy when I do use it.
Kinda O/T, but I've even managed to get the 11-40 on the back of my road bike with the use of a Wolf link, derailleur is an Ultegra GS 8000 mechanical. It worked quite well, I only put it on once for a local century that included 14k' of climbing.
I really like the set up, I ride the gravel bike on quite a bit of terrain that would be better served with my XC mtb, so the 31-34 combo wasn't quite cutting it on some of the double-digit offroad climbs. I really liked the stock gearing everywhere else and was worried that the 11-40 would be too gappy, but that hasn't been the case. I don't use the 40t often, but it's really handy when I do use it.
Kinda O/T, but I've even managed to get the 11-40 on the back of my road bike with the use of a Wolf link, derailleur is an Ultegra GS 8000 mechanical. It worked quite well, I only put it on once for a local century that included 14k' of climbing.
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11-34: 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 30, 34
11-40: 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 27, 31, 35, 40
One reason I plan to make the switch is because I don't think I need two gears between the 21T and 27T cogs.
11-40: 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 27, 31, 35, 40
One reason I plan to make the switch is because I don't think I need two gears between the 21T and 27T cogs.
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have one 1x bike with a 10-42 - the gaps are little issue … with maybe one exception : the 10 to 12 gap is fairly noticeable …
certainly less than the gap to / from the 48/31 chainring shifts on my 2x gravel bike
did not think I would like 1x but it grew on me quickly … not for everyone / all conditions of course
certainly less than the gap to / from the 48/31 chainring shifts on my 2x gravel bike
did not think I would like 1x but it grew on me quickly … not for everyone / all conditions of course
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I am pretty sensitive to gaps when road riding, having switched my 11-speed cassette from 11-32 (came with bike) to 12-25 (no bailout gear) then to 12-28 (Goldilocks), all with 50/34 chain rings. So I was pleasantly surprised that this sensitivity did not carry over onto riding my gravel bike. 11-34 has worked pretty well with my GRX 48/31 chain rings, but now that an 11-40 XT cassette is available for a semi-reasonable price, I picked one up in anticipation of graduating to more challenging terrain later this year.
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The diagram on the side of the box is confusing; I will still need to install the 1.85 mm spacer behind the 11-40 cassette, right?
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If you have an 11-speed road hub (which I assume is what you have, based on what you describe above), you will need a 1.85 mm spacer. (The spacer makes it look like a mtn free-hub).
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i've had mixed thoughts from lbs in running 50/34 with a 11-36 cassette. None suggested 52/36 with 11-36 cassette. I have not looked further into those two setups, but it would be something I'd go with at a later date... I'd just have to do more investigation. The Shimano Hollowtech II crank options do offer both the 50/34 & 52/36, but only shows the 50/34 being used with a 11-34 cassette. I'm assuming the rear der is a mid length cage at best, limiting to the 11-34t.
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i've had mixed thoughts from lbs in running 50/34 with a 11-36 cassette. None suggested 52/36 with 11-36 cassette. I have not looked further into those two setups, but it would be something I'd go with at a later date... I'd just have to do more investigation. The Shimano Hollowtech II crank options do offer both the 50/34 & 52/36, but only shows the 50/34 being used with a 11-34 cassette. I'm assuming the rear der is a mid length cage at best, limiting to the 11-34t.
2. We are talking about a GRX rear derailleur (i.e., RD-RX810) for a 2x gravel drive train here. Compared to a medium-cage road RD (e.g., RD-R8000-GS), while both have a max low sprocket of 34T, the GRX has a slightly greater total capacity (40T) than the road RD (39T). Plus a GRX drive train is usually paired with a 48T or a 46T big chain ring, rather than the 50T or 52T chain rings in a road drive train.
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1. Do you really need the 52:11 ratio?
2. We are talking about a GRX rear derailleur (i.e., RD-RX810) for a 2x gravel drive train here. Compared to a medium-cage road RD (e.g., RD-R8000-GS), while both have a max low sprocket of 34T, the GRX has a slightly greater total capacity (40T) than the road RD (39T). Plus a GRX drive train is usually paired with a 48T or a 46T big chain ring, rather than the 50T or 52T chain rings in a road drive train.
2. We are talking about a GRX rear derailleur (i.e., RD-RX810) for a 2x gravel drive train here. Compared to a medium-cage road RD (e.g., RD-R8000-GS), while both have a max low sprocket of 34T, the GRX has a slightly greater total capacity (40T) than the road RD (39T). Plus a GRX drive train is usually paired with a 48T or a 46T big chain ring, rather than the 50T or 52T chain rings in a road drive train.
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