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Originally Posted by Eric F
(Post 22801108)
How far I travel across the ground (gear development) with each pedal revolution is something relatable to the activity of cycling. How the gear ratios and wheel size of a multi-geared bicycle compare to the diameter of the front wheel of a penny-farthing bicycle (gear inches) is archaic.
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If you quickily want every possible combination of gears in the range your considering, this calculator gives results in multiple formats, including the actually useful speed per rpm:
https://www.bikecalc.com/gear_inches But this one is really cool, because it populates with realistic equipment inputs and presents the results in a chart designed to make comparing easy. It has pull downs that capture factory cassette combinations rather than giving you every possibility in a range. And it has a compare button if you want to look at how two very different bikes are geared, or what changing your chainrings would accomplish. Displays results in development, speed, etc. But you can just note the relative locations of the ratios. https://www.gear-calculator.com/ Screw doing math. |
Originally Posted by Joe Remi
(Post 22801055)
I don't know how gear inches become gear inches but I know the number I like for a low gear is between 23 to 26 inches.
Many of us still use it for comparison of gearing. Simply using the ratio would work or using distance development would work. Personally I find gear inches to be easier to wrap my head around. Gear ratios seem too small and distance development seems too large. I only really use gear inches for setting up the drivetrain. I find it a useful tool for comparison but out on the road they are of no use. I know (kinda) which gear I’m in and which way to shift to make the pedaling easier or harder but I don’t think about gear inches out in the field. |
Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22801163)
How does it relate? When do you use inches traveled per revolution?
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Originally Posted by Eric F
(Post 22801395)
For the purpose of comparing gear ratios combined with tire size, both development and gear-inches are usable metrics. However, I've seen quite a few people confuse these two terms largely because gear-inches is a stupid concept in the modern era. Development relates directly to the action of riding a bicycle - turn the pedals, travel X distance. I have a strong opinion about gear-inches. I don't need anyone to agree with me.
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For comparing bikes of the same wheel size or comparing what might be with different gearing on the same bike, ratios work well enough.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22801443)
For comparing bikes of the same wheel size or comparing what might be with different gearing on the same bike, ratios work well enough.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 22801420)
You can use any system you like. Yes, gear inches is kind of dumb but it is more commonly used than ratios or development. Most of us are used to using gear inches so when we talk to others about gearing, we get a whole lot fewer blank stares than if we start talking ratios or feet (meters) development. In my life, I’d much prefer to use the metric system and a 24 hour clock but here in ‘Merica! if I say I need a board 50mm x 200mm x 2.4m long, I might as well be asking in Russian.
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Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22801474)
And you have to sit down and calculate all of them.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
(Post 22801478)
You do? I can operate the calculator function in on my phone while standing up! :p
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Originally Posted by Eric F
(Post 22801476)
Your points are valid, and I've used gear inches for decades because that's the generally-accepted standard among bike folks. That doesn't change my opinion. I have similar opinions about the term "clipless" - LOL. I understand how and why these terms came to be.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22801095)
I don't carry gear charts on my rides. Years and years of Excel make the math easy for the big clusters. Easy to save what I like. Print out what I like in stem friendly formats.
Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22801160)
What?
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Originally Posted by kontact
(Post 22801486)
oh, did the rental place repossess your couch?
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This thread has had me thinking more of development. I've known of it a long time. It is the key number for any junior racer. Also called roll out. Done physically with the bike. Start with the crank down at the beginning line on the floor or pavement. Pedal until the crank comes down again. Bike better not have crossed the second line!
But for me. Development is the easy number to calculate that significant sum on a fix gear ride - pedal revolutions. Revs per mile and total revs have always fascinated me but the in-head on-the-bike math gets tedious. But my 42-17 gear giving me 17.5' development? 5280 / 17.5 is doable. 302 pedal strokes per mile. I like! (Same gear; 67", 100 RPM gives 20 MPH. The basis of much of my rolling gear chart and speed/RPM math. Edit: Just put a new tool in my bike math basket. And why do math in my head on the bike? Well, it's fun and it's a "use it or lose it" activity, just like riding (for me). |
Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22801486)
Oh, did the rental place repossess your couch?
Originally Posted by Eric F
(Post 22801505)
wtf??
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Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22801474)
And you have to sit down and calculate all of them.
Once that is straight in ones head then simple relational assumptions can be made that don't require doing math or using online calculators. Bigger tooth count on front, harder to push the same cog on the rear. Bigger tooth count on the rear, easier to push with the same ring on the front. |
Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22801489)
Sorry, a little confusing. I don't carry gear charts to work out possibilities as I ride. I have been know to print out small plots to tape to my stem for new triple setups although I haven't done that in years.
https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/inco...-989416628.jpg |
I'm very happy for you.
Or sorry to hear. I'm not reading all that. |
Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22800853)
Gear inches are an imaginary scale that supposes you have a highwheeler bike, and that number is how large your wheel would be.
I remember a cute girl in my freshman chemistry class, who rode a lovely light blue Mercier, with a gear inches chart on a shrink-wrapped 3x5 index card hanging from the handlebar. A little OCD she was. |
Originally Posted by oldbobcat
(Post 22801797)
The bigness of a wheel has three dimensions, radius, diameter, and circumference. We're talking about diameter.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22801516)
And why do math in my head on the bike? Well, it's fun and it's a "use it or lose it" activity, just like riding (for me).
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22801525)
That was uncalled for. kontact, this isn't P & R. Just gear charts. Let's keep it civil.
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Originally Posted by Kontact
(Post 22801001)
My arbitrary gear comparison scale is better than your arbitrary gear comparison scale! :troll:
Centimeters are stupid! I only use millimeters! |
Ratios are a totally dumb concept. 3.3 of what?? Who the hell knows?? NOBODY.
Gear inches relate very nicely to steps walking/ running. 17" is a baby step and 100" is The Lightning Bolt running the 100m. LOL. And I just thought of an oddball comparison. GIs are quite close to degrees F. 16 is frigid cold and 120 is scorching. 70 is room temp/ flatland riding. As for riding on the highway, all you need to think about is 15 mph is 4 minutes and 20 mph is 3 minutes. Cadence has basically zero to do with distance if you coast 10 to 20% of every rev, like most people do. |
Originally Posted by DiabloScott
(Post 22801981)
This is exactly why The Columbia space shuttle exploded on the moon a few years ago.
I think you're referring to the Mars orbiter which was lost because of a Metric/imperial data mismatch. |
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