Grease or no grease on threads?
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You seem uniquely immune to the way anti-seize, especially the typical Park stuff with graphite, stains clothes and skin. It also ruins grease if it gets out of the threads and into contact with the bearings.
I also use it to decrease galvanic problems with titanium, but I avoid using it anywhere it can be avoided because grease is completely effective and is easier to clean up when it migrates.
If you like using it, great. But like many things talked about on forums, the stuff went from a weird substance used in jet engines to a "necessity" for the assembly of our toy-like bicycles. It is overkill and sometimes creates problems that you won't see with grease.
I also use it to decrease galvanic problems with titanium, but I avoid using it anywhere it can be avoided because grease is completely effective and is easier to clean up when it migrates.
If you like using it, great. But like many things talked about on forums, the stuff went from a weird substance used in jet engines to a "necessity" for the assembly of our toy-like bicycles. It is overkill and sometimes creates problems that you won't see with grease.
I use really purely with titanium stuff and it does the job and doesn't cause any issues for me but I can see where it could cause issues if you got it in your bearings.
My bikes aren't really toys but I get it people love to call them toys and demean them that way so they can also demean those that work on them and are around them. Not necessarily saying you are doing that but it is common enough around here and elsewhere.
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Have had more grease stains than anti-seize stains but I guess I am generally more careful or something. Never ruined grease but did have one of our interns ruin some carbon paste by drilling near an open container but that was not totally intentional just a lack of thinking and spatial awareness.
I use really purely with titanium stuff and it does the job and doesn't cause any issues for me but I can see where it could cause issues if you got it in your bearings.
My bikes aren't really toys but I get it people love to call them toys and demean them that way so they can also demean those that work on them and are around them. Not necessarily saying you are doing that but it is common enough around here and elsewhere.
I use really purely with titanium stuff and it does the job and doesn't cause any issues for me but I can see where it could cause issues if you got it in your bearings.
My bikes aren't really toys but I get it people love to call them toys and demean them that way so they can also demean those that work on them and are around them. Not necessarily saying you are doing that but it is common enough around here and elsewhere.
You have interns at a bike shop?
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I tell you the one place I do need antisieze - in the adjustment cone of this bugger.
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I worked as an Industrial Mechanic for close to 40 years. Generally, we did not grease bolts. That said, stainless steel bolts and nuts did get a good shot of anti-seize prior to assembly. The anti-seize was to help prevent the occurrence of thread pick-up. Put another way, it is not uncommon for stainless steel fasteners to transfer, as is darn near weld, tread to thread. Perhaps the following, not my words, but certainly what I believe...
"Generally, lubricating bolt threads with grease should be avoided in most cases, especially if a specific torque value is required. While grease can prevent corrosion and ease future removal in some situations, it significantly reduces friction, which can lead to incorrect clamping forces, potential damage to components, and even bolt failure."
"Generally, lubricating bolt threads with grease should be avoided in most cases, especially if a specific torque value is required. While grease can prevent corrosion and ease future removal in some situations, it significantly reduces friction, which can lead to incorrect clamping forces, potential damage to components, and even bolt failure."
FYI, a search using the term first returned information about sewing machine bobbins (problems with guiding sewing thread through the machine).
I then added "metal fasteners" to the search term and got results describing electric guitar pickups.
Can't help speculating that "thread pick-up" was made up by someone in a manufacturing plant somewhere and used only there.
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In the context of threads like this one, where a newcomer is asking basic questions, it's probably best to avoid using jargon such as "thread pick-up" that even experienced bike mechanics might not have encountered. I've never seen it before, and I've been working on bikes since I began building wheels in the mid-'60's.
FYI, a search using the term first returned information about sewing machine bobbins (problems with guiding sewing thread through the machine).
I then added "metal fasteners" to the search term and got results describing electric guitar pickups.
Can't help speculating that "thread pick-up" was made up by someone in a manufacturing plant somewhere and used only there.
FYI, a search using the term first returned information about sewing machine bobbins (problems with guiding sewing thread through the machine).
I then added "metal fasteners" to the search term and got results describing electric guitar pickups.
Can't help speculating that "thread pick-up" was made up by someone in a manufacturing plant somewhere and used only there.
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#32
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They aren't toys, but my point is that they aren't high speed industrial machines. Bike people like to take from other industries, forgetting that our low load, low rpm, low speed, low temp machines don't benefit at all from ceramics, anti-seize, bearing pre-load, etc. And there isn't any galling either - that is a friction effect, not something bike parts can make happen. Anti-seize is just to help prevent galvanic corrosion.
You have interns at a bike shop?
You have interns at a bike shop?
Here's a serious question and contradiction:
Well above (I think in this thread, or another) was advice to grease the seatpost. Reply was, won't that make it slip? Answer was no, the clamping pressure will squeeze out or overcome the grease and hold fine.
Now, will the same happen with grease on threads? I don't know, but that may be one of the reasons that anti-seize contains fine metal powder, that will remain at that pressure interface, better than grease.
Most of the stuff on bikes is low stressed. But those 5mm rack bolts are under enough load that they break occasionally, and gall if not lubed.
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In my days working as an editor, I usually let authors get away with show-offy jargon like that if the readers were certain to be peers working in the same field, but the term would probably still get a query, more diplomatically worded than what would first have occurred to me, i.e., "What the hell?"
#34
I've had stainless steel bolts gall if dry threads, more often than anything else.
Here's a serious question and contradiction:
Well above (I think in this thread, or another) was advice to grease the seatpost. Reply was, won't that make it slip? Answer was no, the clamping pressure will squeeze out or overcome the grease and hold fine.
Now, will the same happen with grease on threads? I don't know, but that may be one of the reasons that anti-seize contains fine metal powder, that will remain at that pressure interface, better than grease.
Most of the stuff on bikes is low stressed. But those 5mm rack bolts are under enough load that they break occasionally, and gall if not lubed.
Here's a serious question and contradiction:
Well above (I think in this thread, or another) was advice to grease the seatpost. Reply was, won't that make it slip? Answer was no, the clamping pressure will squeeze out or overcome the grease and hold fine.
Now, will the same happen with grease on threads? I don't know, but that may be one of the reasons that anti-seize contains fine metal powder, that will remain at that pressure interface, better than grease.
Most of the stuff on bikes is low stressed. But those 5mm rack bolts are under enough load that they break occasionally, and gall if not lubed.
Anti-seize is a range of products. If you think graphite anti-seize is going to act as thread locker, you have another thing coming. The graphite is going to act like little bearings, not little teeth. Either way you are screwing with how the part was designed to engage thread by inserting unnecessary particulate into that thread engagement for no reason.
Anti-seize is not thread locker. Thread locker is not necessary on properly tightened hardware.
Use the grease the manufacturer intended and you will get the kind of torque the manufacturer intended, which is the amount of torque that will hold the bolt from slipping. It will prevent galling and corrosion in all but the most reactive pairings.
Stop trying to outsmart a perfectly useful system. People have been using bikes very, very hard for their entire history. Has anyone ever heard of racers famously losing because their grease assembled bikes unscrewed themselves?
These threads always present such a mishmash of "wouldabout" baloney that it is no wonder new home mechanics get so confused. Greased bolts and seatposts don't slip - they also don't corrode or gall. Use grease nearly everywhere. The only exception I can think of is the handlebar/stem junction - which would also likely work fine with grease, but we needn't worry about it because there simply isn't enough surface area there to cause them to corrode together. Every other bolt, spline, pressed part, etc gets grease, and always has.
This isn't rocket science, and bikes are not rockets. Use grease.







