Drop or drizzle
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and we don't loose the cap (its hinged).
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Good point, but nobody in my household has contact lenses, and I'm not about to root through the neighbor's trash looking for discarded bottles. Besides, the needle nozzle makes it easy to reach the oil ports on my Sturmey-Archer hubs.
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Second, he's drenching the chain in excess lube, ostensibly to dissolve and lift the dirt inside to be wiped off. That's fine if the lube is not expensive. If it is expensive, it would be more economical to use an on-bike chain cleaner with low cost solvent, wipe and let it dry, then relube, and I'll bet that also results in a cleaner chain before lube. On a road bike, most of the wear contaminant is extremely finely ground steel from the chain, you can easily verify this with a magnet in the cleaning solvent, it will be covered in black sludge. Those particles are what turns the lube to paste, no matter which oil lube you use, or how thin. Wax lube seems to avoid this, so either no steel particles, or they are shed into the environment.
Wax lubricant does, indeed, cause wear of the chain but the mechanism is different. Wax, as a solid, blocks the infiltration of dirt into the chain. However, because of the solid nature of wax, the pressure points in the chain get less lubrication resulting in more metal on metal wear. The worn metal either falls out of the chain or is trapped in the wax with the former probably more prevalent.
With oil, the pressure points aren’t starved of lubrication but the oil as it flows around the chain picks up grit from the environment which results in grinding of the chain surfaces but not through metal-on-metal wear. The removed metal remains in the oil/grit/metal bits paste which is why you can pick it up with a magnet.
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#30
I butcher my own dinosaurs and render them in a Crockpot to create my own oil. I then submerge my chain in the fresh dino-oil, then hang the chain and allow the excess to drip off. I keep two chains so I can always have one ready to go.
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I see. What good does it do to spread the lube on the outside? I just drip onto the rollers, which does drizzle a little on the outer and inner surfaces. I follow by wiping thoroughtly. But I don't see the point of spending that time, material and effort painting the chain like that.
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I see. What good does it do to spread the lube on the outside? I just drip onto the rollers, which does drizzle a little on the outer and inner surfaces. I follow by wiping thoroughtly. But I don't see the point of spending that time, material and effort painting the chain like that.
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My definitive method using Squirt:
Put the Squirt bottle in a hot water bath to reduce the viscosity. Leave in for as long as it takes to wipe off the chain and/or tune in to ESPN on my basement TV.
Shift the bike to cross chain in the big-big combo and drip the Squirt onto the top of each roller just before it goes over the cassette. Silca has a video showing how the links spread and allow the lube to get in there. Back pedal a few times to set the stuff in there and run it through the gears.
If it has been a while, or has been noisy, repeat but this time dripping on the other side of the chain, cross chaining small-small.
Squirt says don't wipe off, so I don't.
Let dry overnight. Turn off TV while swearing that the whole time was just commercials and I missed the Sports Center Top Ten Plays, again.
And Importantly, before turning off the light, look back and admire how great my bike looks.
Put the Squirt bottle in a hot water bath to reduce the viscosity. Leave in for as long as it takes to wipe off the chain and/or tune in to ESPN on my basement TV.
Shift the bike to cross chain in the big-big combo and drip the Squirt onto the top of each roller just before it goes over the cassette. Silca has a video showing how the links spread and allow the lube to get in there. Back pedal a few times to set the stuff in there and run it through the gears.
If it has been a while, or has been noisy, repeat but this time dripping on the other side of the chain, cross chaining small-small.
Squirt says don't wipe off, so I don't.
Let dry overnight. Turn off TV while swearing that the whole time was just commercials and I missed the Sports Center Top Ten Plays, again.
And Importantly, before turning off the light, look back and admire how great my bike looks.
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A "COG" is a complete sprocket. A tooth is individual projections on a cog. A drop on each cog doesn't do much. Beside the fact a cog is what the chain runs on and the chain is what you're lubing.
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I don't consider co ops and non profits "your average cyclist".
I never suggested my reply was for anyone but those who deal with large numbers of cash strapped riders and provide their services for free. Apples and oranges. Andy.
I never suggested my reply was for anyone but those who deal with large numbers of cash strapped riders and provide their services for free. Apples and oranges. Andy.
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For chains that I lube with drip-type lube rather than wax, I patiently put a drop on each side of each roller link in the chain - on the inside of the chain, not the outside.
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Apparently not. A 5 qt jug of Mobil 1 or a similar product is maybe $25-$30 if you get a good deal, maybe add a mfg coupon on it, still a lot more expensive than a synthetic lube of lower viscosity that will be far superior as a chain lube. Sure motor oil will work in a pinch, but even a 0W-20 is going to collect a lot of grit unless you apply it correctly, and wipe off all the excess. You can make a DIY drip wax lube for $30-40 per gallon if you know where to look.
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I think this person just poured it over the bike. It covered the shifters, the wheels, the brakes, the frame…everything. Dirtiest bike I’ve ever worked on. It’s the most extreme but I’ve seen many others…including the guy who oiled his disc brakes because they were squeaking…I kid you not!
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Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
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Please don’t use motor oil. It leads to foolishness like this
I think this person just poured it over the bike. It covered the shifters, the wheels, the brakes, the frame…everything. Dirtiest bike I’ve ever worked on. It’s the most extreme but I’ve seen many others…including the guy who oiled his disc brakes because they were squeaking…I kid you not!
I think this person just poured it over the bike. It covered the shifters, the wheels, the brakes, the frame…everything. Dirtiest bike I’ve ever worked on. It’s the most extreme but I’ve seen many others…including the guy who oiled his disc brakes because they were squeaking…I kid you not!
People oiling disc brakes or other brakes is common enough, I wish people would do a modicum of research before doing it especially the ones that say "I don't want to spend money" yet they need new pads and rotors because Iso and fire won't work.
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Please don’t use motor oil. It leads to foolishness like this
I think this person just poured it over the bike. It covered the shifters, the wheels, the brakes, the frame…everything. Dirtiest bike I’ve ever worked on. It’s the most extreme but I’ve seen many others…including the guy who oiled his disc brakes because they were squeaking…I kid you not!
I think this person just poured it over the bike. It covered the shifters, the wheels, the brakes, the frame…everything. Dirtiest bike I’ve ever worked on. It’s the most extreme but I’ve seen many others…including the guy who oiled his disc brakes because they were squeaking…I kid you not!
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You gotta warn someone when you post photos like that...that bike is in my nightmares. I have seen some similar bikes but I think that one takes the cake.
People oiling disc brakes or other brakes is common enough, I wish people would do a modicum of research before doing it especially the ones that say "I don't want to spend money" yet they need new pads and rotors because Iso and fire won't work.
People oiling disc brakes or other brakes is common enough, I wish people would do a modicum of research before doing it especially the ones that say "I don't want to spend money" yet they need new pads and rotors because Iso and fire won't work.
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I have started to use 5W30 too, and so I now have some spare snake-oil if you're interested. It was quite expensive so it must be good.
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I don't want to take this thread down the rabbit hole, but... When I was on my job, a worker at my facility approached me and said the disc brakes on his car were squealing, so he sprayed them with WD-40. How do you respond to that?
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Nope. It’s because their daddy told them to be generous with lubricant because how can extra oil hurt?
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!




