Puzzled by chain length
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Puzzled by chain length
I have been running 11 speed Sram eTap with 53/39 chainrings and 11/25 cassette and 53 link chain length. I just built a new bike with Sram eTap utilizing 1X setup with 52 chainring and 11/28 cassette. I cut the chain for the 1X bike to 53 links, the same number of links on my 2X bike. On the 1X bike the derailleur will not shift to the 25 and 28 cogs with 53 link chain. It requires 55 link chain to shift upwards to the 25 and 28 cogs. . I am puzzled why my 1X bike requires 55 links when the gearing is similar to my 2X bike.
I assume the derailleur is adjusted properly because it shifts to the 25 and 28 cogs without the chain attached.
I assume the derailleur is adjusted properly because it shifts to the 25 and 28 cogs without the chain attached.
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53t to 52t equals one Half a thread pitch shorter.
rear 3t increase equals 1.5 thread pitches longer.
basic bike-ology, 101
there are no half links (actually ONE full pitch length) for multi-speed bike chains, that I've seen.
and you count links wrong, or your bike is insanely tiny.
can i assume that you meant 106 links, and 110 links?... and you might want to go re-count now.
off bike, i count just the outer plates, then add one to account for the Quick link/Master link... then multiply by two.
rear 3t increase equals 1.5 thread pitches longer.
basic bike-ology, 101
there are no half links (actually ONE full pitch length) for multi-speed bike chains, that I've seen.
and you count links wrong, or your bike is insanely tiny.
can i assume that you meant 106 links, and 110 links?... and you might want to go re-count now.
off bike, i count just the outer plates, then add one to account for the Quick link/Master link... then multiply by two.
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You really need to go to Park Tool website and watch a good video on this.
The only time I've ever encountered someone who went by the number of links or measured length was an old-timer who used a 1" pitch Block chain.
The only time I've ever encountered someone who went by the number of links or measured length was an old-timer who used a 1" pitch Block chain.
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You took away one tooth from the front and added 3 teeth in the rear and you're puzzled by why the chain needs to be longer? More teeth require more chain and chainstay length also affects the length of the chain. Never cut a chain until you have measured it on the bike.
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That is odd that SRAM has 1x instructions for a 2x rear derailleur when they make 1x specific rear derailleurs.
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Yes it works with 110 links (55) but according to the Sram manual I should use 108 links. I now have done that and it works. I guess next time I should read the manual.
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Of further note, all my bikes are Franken Bikes. I no longer get puzzled of the fact that even though they are set up similarly, chain length has been determined by trail and error...
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I have no clue how many links are on any of my bikes because I don't need to.
I size the chain to fit the bike and toss the rest into the "extra pieces of chain that will probably not get used" pile.
Put it on the biggest ring & cog and make sure you have enough slack so the chain can ride over the teeth to the next ring/cog.

As far as chain stays the same length? That may be, but with some of the futuristic styling, where does the CS start?
Is the distance from the center of the rear axle to the center of the ring(s) the same?
I size the chain to fit the bike and toss the rest into the "extra pieces of chain that will probably not get used" pile.
Put it on the biggest ring & cog and make sure you have enough slack so the chain can ride over the teeth to the next ring/cog.

As far as chain stays the same length? That may be, but with some of the futuristic styling, where does the CS start?
Is the distance from the center of the rear axle to the center of the ring(s) the same?
Last edited by Bill Kapaun; 02-11-26 at 07:31 PM.
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Yes, "chainstay length" is generally defined by the center to center distance from the BB to the hub axle. On geometry charts, it appears that the horizontal dropouts are measured from the front location rather the back of the dropout, but that is just in the handful I've measured.
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Yes, "chainstay length" is generally defined by the center to center distance from the BB to the hub axle. On geometry charts, it appears that the horizontal dropouts are measured from the front location rather the back of the dropout, but that is just in the handful I've measured.
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Dear OP
Ignore the usual blather of who GAF extraneous info, watch the video, put the chain on the bike, and cut the chain to fit the bike as it is currently configured. No measurements or calculations are necessary.
If you don't know what you're doing get some assistance from someone who actually does.
Have a nice day
Ignore the usual blather of who GAF extraneous info, watch the video, put the chain on the bike, and cut the chain to fit the bike as it is currently configured. No measurements or calculations are necessary.
If you don't know what you're doing get some assistance from someone who actually does.
Have a nice day






