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threadless h/s questions...
how do you get the drive tube the right length other than with spacers? is it ok to cut down the drive tube on a carbon fork if its way too long? and do you know if you could clamp a threadless stem onto a threaded fork? or if its a long one then cut the threaded portion off the drive tube then treat it like a threadless?
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First, a little terminology: it's called a steerer or sterrer tube, not a drive tube.
Yes, it's perfectly normal to cut the steerer to the proper length for your frame and desired handlebar position. In fact, new forks come with the steerer intentionally much longer than almost any rider needs and are expected to be custom cut to the desired length.
You can clamp a threadless stem to a threaded fork if the steerer is long enough to allow all of the threaded section to be cut off. There are those who say you can leave a little bit of the threads and still be ok but I wouldn't do it for myself.
Yes, it's perfectly normal to cut the steerer to the proper length for your frame and desired handlebar position. In fact, new forks come with the steerer intentionally much longer than almost any rider needs and are expected to be custom cut to the desired length.
You can clamp a threadless stem to a threaded fork if the steerer is long enough to allow all of the threaded section to be cut off. There are those who say you can leave a little bit of the threads and still be ok but I wouldn't do it for myself.
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hmm... i wonder if it is unsafe to sandblast carbon fiber to get the paint off.. just because i know carbon fiber can be funny..
is there a special thing you need instead of a star fangled nut or expander bolt for carbon fiber, or is it all the same?
is there a special thing you need instead of a star fangled nut or expander bolt for carbon fiber, or is it all the same?
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If you cut the carbon steerer tube, be sure to use a fine blade or you will cause carbon splinters to start. consider wrapping the steer tube with masking tape first to decrease splintering of carbon.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
First, a little terminology: it's called a steerer or sterrer tube, not a drive tube.
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Originally Posted by coyotecrust
hmm... i wonder if it is unsafe to sandblast carbon fiber to get the paint off.. just because i know carbon fiber can be funny..
is there a special thing you need instead of a star fangled nut or expander bolt for carbon fiber, or is it all the same?
is there a special thing you need instead of a star fangled nut or expander bolt for carbon fiber, or is it all the same?
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Easton has a good article about cutting carbor fiber which can be found here:
https://www.eastonbike.com/downloadab...-05-Carbon.pdf
https://www.eastonbike.com/downloadab...-05-Carbon.pdf
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Originally Posted by coyotecrust
hmm... i wonder if it is unsafe to sandblast carbon fiber to get the paint off.. just because i know carbon fiber can be funny..
is there a special thing you need instead of a star fangled nut or expander bolt for carbon fiber, or is it all the same?
is there a special thing you need instead of a star fangled nut or expander bolt for carbon fiber, or is it all the same?
When cutting, sanding, or sandblasting(why would you do this?) CF, be VERY careful. You need to use a ventilator mask and gloves. The dust is toxic.
Here are two references for cutting carbon steerer tubes:
https://www.eastonbike.com/downloada...D-05-Carbon.pdf
https://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=111
It's important to use a cutting guide, or mitre, to keep the tube end square. This is just as important as having the top and bottom head tube faces perfectly parallel. If they are not, your bearings will not get equal loading all the way around and the bearing races will wear faster on one side. Having the top cap, or expander, installed perfectly square does the same thing. It preloads the bearing surfaces before you tighten up the stem clamp bolts. No matter what kind of bearings you have in your headset, it's important to have equal loading on them all the way around. The same is true for BBs as well. It's the same principal.
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Originally Posted by cascade168
It's important to use a cutting guide, or mitre, to keep the tube end square. This is just as important as having the top and bottom head tube faces perfectly parallel. If they are not, your bearings will not get equal loading all the way around and the bearing races will wear faster on one side.
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Originally Posted by seely
I can't see how this is possible. The top cap rests on the stem, not the steerer tube. The top cap is what adjusts tension. Unless your stem is sitting crooked somehow, its not going to affect bearing tension in any way that I can conceive.
If the cap is crooked (for whatever reason), isn't it going to transfer this crookedness to the stem (as you pointed out) and cause uneven loading on the bearing? I have seen a lot of people state that they just pound in the star nut without a proper tool. If you think this through and the star nut is not aligned correctly, then you end up with a crooked top cap which will put more pressure on one side of the stem which will put more pressure on one side of the bearing. Right? If stems were an interference fit over the steerer tube, then I would have no argurment here. But, they do have some slop until they are tightened up and they are affected, to some extent, by the top cap. My point is that if your head tube faces are not parallel, and your top cap is crooked, or, the steerer tube was not cut to the correct length, then you are wasting your money on a good headset. How many people do you think go out and buy a CK headset and don't bother checking the facing of the head tube and getting it done (although if you're going to check it, you might as well get it faced), or, just pound that star nut in without considering how important it is to get it in perfectly straight?
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One tip for cutting CF steerers is to use nail polish on the cut end after you're done. This helps prevent fraying and moisture contamination of the laminates.
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Originally Posted by rmfnla
"Sterrer tube"?; what the hell is that?
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Originally Posted by coyotecrust
hmm... i wonder if it is unsafe to sandblast carbon fiber to get the paint off.. just because i know carbon fiber can be funny..
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Also, DO NOT clamp a threadless stem to a threaded steerer, as someone above told you. Yes, you CAN do it, but you will never be able to remove the fork, as clamping a threadless stem will damage the threads on the steerer, so you will never be able to get the top nut or headset off again, common sense here..
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Originally Posted by stickydpaul
Also, DO NOT clamp a threadless stem to a threaded steerer, as someone above told you. Yes, you CAN do it, but you will never be able to remove the fork, as clamping a threadless stem will damage the threads on the steerer, so you will never be able to get the top nut or headset off again, common sense here..
Second, since you will have to use a threadless headset, you do not thread the top nut of the headset onto the steerer so damaging the threads is not a problem. The threads aren't there and aren't needed.





