Maybe you should step back and not make unfounded assumptions.

Didn't spend anywhere near that much on the bike, but that isn't the point. The point is that the Liquid Wrench was actually available, but I have never seen T-9, HDMP, or Framesaver anywhere. I didn't choose it because it was cheaper.

Don't get so touchy, you said you had a new steel frame... and I said "IF you've just spent...." A lot of steel framed bikes nowdays are expensive, most of the budget frames are aluminum and are made offshore.

Your LBS can probably order some Boeshield T-9 or Trek dealers can get you Framesaver.

You can also order it from:

https://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,43415,43440

or from:

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...60023?v=glance

I have used the T-9. It's easy to spray into all the spots and I think it works well, but time will tell. The whole rust thing is for most people a bit of a red herring because bikes in most places are just not going to rust very much if you keep some paint on them. I rode a bike for 10 years in Vancouver and through that many winter monsoons and my bike, a steel framed Nishiki 12-speed, never got more than a few spots inside (at least were I could see inside ie. inside the seat tube).

A consideration is that some of the stuff being suggested, ie. linseed oil, may be hard to get the excess out of seatstays and chain stays of some bikes. You could end up adding ounces of weight to your bike.

Thread REsurrection time--

My latest sortie in the quest to find a cheaper framesaver has yielded Kellogg's Professional Penetrating Oil & Rust Inhibitor, KEL-132, $5 for a big-ass spray can at my local hardware store, and I believe, at Home Depot.

see here for a pic:https://automotive.hardwarestore.com/...or-627084.aspx

I was curious about it, and finally pried the cap off to take a sniff. Smells and looks *exactly* like framesaver, and, as with framesaver, advertises that it will protect for one year. Even comes with a handy little red nozzle tip.

On T-9: a framebuilder I know used it, but said that it didn't protect as well as framesaver for rust (i.e.: he got some). I'm waiting to see what he thinks about the KEL-132.

A little bit of my favourite chain lube concoction (oil and varsol (paint thinner for my US friends)) injuected into the frame tubes with a disposable syringe and then the frame shaken around to distribute it evenly has been my only frame treatment unless I get the local rustproofing guy to inject chemical for me. My MTB spends as much time underwater during rides while river fording as much as it spends being dry. I have NEVER had a frame rust problem and my Miele is now 15 years old and going strong.

The BB unscrewed without incident just this summer.

The downside is you can't brag about how your frame treatment cost you about 25 cents.

And drill a couple of big holes in the bottom bracket to act as drains for condensation or water that get past the seat tube.

For those interested in the Amsoil HDMP here's a link to their Dealer Locator. (I'm not a dealer, just a satisfied customer).

You're absolutely right....I forgot about that.

I'm surprised that a product sold as penetrating oil would be the same as framesaver (and I'm thinking of Weigle's product). Framesaver is clearly an oily wax that is made sprayable by a solvent that evaporates, leaving behind the waxy film. This later property seems absent (nor desirable) in most penetrating oils. Now there are some automotive sprays (e.g. the British Waxoyl) that might be very similar to Framesaver...

Yup, that's why I passed on it the first time at Home Depot when I asked them about rustproofing sprays. But if the smell test is definitive at all, it's the exact same stuff. Framesaver has a very distinctive smell.

Also looks the same out of the can. It might be "penetrating" in the sense that it lifts off rust. I did a spot test of frame saver and KEL-132 on a shovel with some surface rust, and both cleared up the rust pretty well off the sprayed spot.

^^^

I have a can of something in my basement that also smells just like FrameSaver, yet it doesn't dry like FrameSaver, it stay rather liquidy and can be wiped off.

well, I'll check out the shovel more closely and report back later.

I was going to suggest the same link or do a yahoo or google search for Amsoil dealers in your area.

I used to sell the stuff when I was into racing cars. It's been good stuff to me. One oil change a year with only a filter change in between. Save me lots of $$. But since I sold my car I let my dealer status run out.

...and no, they are not related to Amway. The "AM" in Amsoil is from the founder of the company, AJ Amatuzio.

Good luck with everyone's frame endeavor, whatever you choose to use.

The odor could be the same because one of the components is the same, e.g. the solvent. Does your stuff leave behind a brownish, waxy coating?

Sounds just like Amsoil HDMP. I treated a brown frame recently with it and after it had dried I thought I found a run in the paint. Turns out it was the Amsoil, a brown oily wax.

remembered to check the shovel this morning.

looks like KEL-132, as suspected by all, IS a different composition. Framesaver clearly dried to a brown oily wax; the KEL-132 remained tacky, viscous, and oily. It'll do a good job as a moisture barrier on the shovels and lawnmower, I'm sure, but it might be a tad messy to stick inside precious bicycles. Oh well, I'm still looking. No Amsoil dealer within 100 miles of D.C.

You might as well order it online then, unless you're willing to do a double century ride to get it, otherwise gas will cost you more than shipping would.

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/Se...CategoryID=145

The prices compare with what the local dealers are selling it for. While you're at it you might want to get some of their regular metal protector (last item in the list above) too. It's a very good metal protector without the wax.

Interesting. AMsoil offers a very similar product range to Kellog Professional oils (i.e.: silicone spray, etc).

Sounds like KEL-132 is probably the same thing as AMSoil straight-up MP, metal protector without the wax.

And, for what it's worth, MP and HDMP are both marketed by AMSoil as penetrating lubricants. They recommend it for motorcycle and bicycle chain lubrication, actually.