Is it possible to change brifter from index to friction?
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Is it possible to change brifter from index to friction?
All right, I admit it, I'm a diehard friction shifter but I realize the advantages of having the shifters where your hands are, on the brakes, rather than on the downtube(or even the bar end).
So is there any way to cinvert a brifter to friction? Thanks.
So is there any way to cinvert a brifter to friction? Thanks.
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A possible solution to having the shifters right by your hands but maintaining a friction set-up (and saving money) is to use Kelly Take Offs (www.kellybike.com). These are brackets that mount inside conventional brake levers and allow you to mount downtube shifters right beside the brake levers. You can use friction or any speed indexing downtube shifters so they are a one-size-fits all.
I just installed them on my beater/rain bike and while they aren't a complete substitute for STI/Ergo, they are the next best thing.
I just installed them on my beater/rain bike and while they aren't a complete substitute for STI/Ergo, they are the next best thing.
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If you use the lower drops alot, you may find that barcons are near-ideal. Even if you ride mostly with your hands on the brake hoods, you will find that reaching for barcons is alot easier and more secure than reaching for downtube levers.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
A possible solution to having the shifters right by your hands but maintaining a friction set-up (and saving money) is to use Kelly Take Offs (www.kellybike.com). These are brackets that mount inside conventional brake levers and allow you to mount downtube shifters right beside the brake levers. You can use friction or any speed indexing downtube shifters so they are a one-size-fits all.
I just installed them on my beater/rain bike and while they aren't a complete substitute for STI/Ergo, they are the next best thing.
I just installed them on my beater/rain bike and while they aren't a complete substitute for STI/Ergo, they are the next best thing.
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I like the Take-Offs very much. I wanted to be able to shift from the brake hoods and while standing but the bike didn't warrent the expense of STI's. The barcons I had on it worked fine but were impossible to use unless seated.
You shift with your thumbs, hooking them over the top of the lever to downshift (in back) and under the lever to upshift. Obviously, reverse this for front shifts. I can reach the levers from both the brake hoods and the drops.
As I said, they aren't a complete substitute for STI/Ergo brifters but are clearly the next best thing in my experience. If you want to shift from the hoods and have friction shifting, they are the only choice I know of currently available.
You shift with your thumbs, hooking them over the top of the lever to downshift (in back) and under the lever to upshift. Obviously, reverse this for front shifts. I can reach the levers from both the brake hoods and the drops.
As I said, they aren't a complete substitute for STI/Ergo brifters but are clearly the next best thing in my experience. If you want to shift from the hoods and have friction shifting, they are the only choice I know of currently available.
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
All right, I admit it, I'm a diehard friction shifter but I realize the advantages of having the shifters where your hands are, on the brakes, rather than on the downtube(or even the bar end).
So is there any way to cinvert a brifter to friction? Thanks.
So is there any way to cinvert a brifter to friction? Thanks.
Tim
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Originally Posted by genericbikedude
These sound JUST LIKE sontour command shifters. I wonder how the two compare. Anybody ever use both?
I remember the Command shifters but wasn't paying much attention to them when they were available. Were they indexed and did they have a friction option?
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I am expecting delivery of some Take-Offs for a bike I am rebuilding. I'll post a ride report once I have ridden with them.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Yeah, they do seem similar except the Take-Offs allow the use of any speed downtube shifter and are currently available. The Command shifters have been out of production for a long time and are strictly e-bay items.
I remember the Command shifters but wasn't paying much attention to them when they were available. Were they indexed and did they have a friction option?
I remember the Command shifters but wasn't paying much attention to them when they were available. Were they indexed and did they have a friction option?
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Originally Posted by lecterman
I am expecting delivery of some Take-Offs for a bike I am rebuilding. I'll post a ride report once I have ridden with them.
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No, but I sure wish they did make one with a friction option, like DT and barend shifters are, so you can index or friction. Actually, what I really dream about for touring purposes is an STI shifter that can index and friction, but works with v-brakes, like the Dia Compe 287-V. (Yes, I know they have "travel agents," but from what I hear it's a less than perfect compromise.)
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Originally Posted by krispistoferson
(Yes, I know they have "travel agents," but from what I hear it's a less than perfect compromise.)
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The front campy brifter (left side) is not a true index shifter. It has the clicks, but they do not correspond to any particular chainring, as opposed to Shimano, where one press of the lever shifts to the next chainring. With campy, you have to go through several index points to shift, hence it is more like friction shifting.
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I just don't get this friction thing. I've been riding and wrenching for more than 35 years and I think index shifting is one of the best things to ever happen to bicycles.
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Originally Posted by rmfnla
I just don't get this friction thing. I've been riding and wrenching for more than 35 years and I think index shifting is one of the best things to ever happen to bicycles.
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Originally Posted by rmfnla
I just don't get this friction thing. I've been riding and wrenching for more than 35 years and I think index shifting is one of the best things to ever happen to bicycles.
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Just my $0.02...
I don't have a lot of experience with index shifting, I have a mountain bike with index shifting that works ok, but some of the gears are a little difficult to get and some of the gears will never be perfectly adjusted and make a little noise. With friction shifting, I can always get a gear quickly and perfectly adjusted.
On the weekends I ride with a group of guys (and girls) that are hardcore and have state of the art index systems. Most of these guys are also very good, strong riders and on the one uphill, I often hear them struggling to get the bike in gear, while I can effortlessly shift, even while pedalling hard.
But I am willing to try, since I realize the advantage of being able to keep your hands on the bars as you shift. I got a used Shimano 105 9 spd group and as soon as I get a new set of wheels, I'll give it a try. I can always put the downtube friction shifters back on.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
I agree completely but there are those, for whatever reason, want friction shifting. Must be the Grant Peterson influence.
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Index shifting is a way for people to spend more money on bicycles. Shimano has 14-speed patented. Grant Peterson is a guy who makes bicycles. He likes platform pedals so that he can wear sandals with socks. His bikes are pretty.
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
Who's Grant Peterson?
He then went on to found Rivendell Bicycle Works where he endlessly promotes friction downtube shifters, quill pedals, lugged steel frames, wool jerseys and similar items. His idea seems to be bicycle progress stopped about 1970. He has a small but vocal following.
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Originally Posted by genericbikedude
Grant Peterson is a guy who makes bicycles. He likes platform pedals so that he can wear sandals with socks. His bikes are pretty.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
He has a small but vocal following.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
He was the marketing and sales manager for Bridgestone Bicycles in the late 80's and early 90's. His eccentric choice of components and models was instrumental in Bridgestone's withdrawing from the American market.
He then went on to found Rivendell Bicycle Works where he endlessly promotes friction downtube shifters, quill pedals, lugged steel frames, wool jerseys and similar items. His idea seems to be bicycle progress stopped about 1970. He has a small but vocal following.
He then went on to found Rivendell Bicycle Works where he endlessly promotes friction downtube shifters, quill pedals, lugged steel frames, wool jerseys and similar items. His idea seems to be bicycle progress stopped about 1970. He has a small but vocal following.
I never knew who he was (is). Of course I think he's wrong about the 1970's thing, but thanks for the info!
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